Discussing the גמרא דף מז. “א”ר זירא (second line of the Amud) until “לוי בר שמואל”
The גמרא דף קמב states when a basket contains fruits and a rock although the basket is not a Bosis one must first shake out the rock before moving the basket.
Question:
Why in the case of the pan and the ashes does the broken pieces of wood not have to be shaken out?
See שולחן שלמה ס’ ש”ח ס”ק כח אות ג who gives a different definition then the משנה ברורה and אג”מ
The classic example to ensure a table is not a בסיס to candlesticks is to leave challah on the table for the period of bein hashmashos at the beginning of Shabbos.
Question:
According to Reb Shlomo Zalman why does that help wouldn’t rather give up the challah than the expensive candlesticks?
See אורחת שבת חלק ב פרק יט הערה תי”ד for an answer
The גמרא דף קמב states when a basket contains fruits and a rock although the basket is not a Bosis one must first shakeout the rock before moving the basket.
Why in the case of the pan and the ashes does the broken pieces of wood not have to be shaken out?
See שולחן שלמה ס’ ש”ח ס”ק כח אות ג who gives a different definition then the משנה ברורה and אג”מ
The classic example to ensure a table is not a בסיס to candlesticks is to leave challah on the table for the period of bein hashmashos at the beginning of Shabbos.
Question:
According to Reb Shlomo Zalman why does that help wouldn’t rather give up the challah than the expensive candlesticks?
See אורחת שבת חלק ב פרק יט הערה תי”ד for an answer
Very quickly review גמרא דף מז. “א”ר זירא (second line of the Amud) until “לוי בר שמואל”
Learn תוס’ “ואמר
Learn תוס’ “הוה
See גמרא דף קמב which states when a basket contains fruits and a rock although the basket is not a Bosis one must first shake out the rock before moving the basket.
Why in the case of the pan and the ashes does the broken pieces of wood not have to be shaken out ?
Review גמרא דף מז. “א”ר זירא (second line of the Amud) until “לוי בר שמואל”
Questions:
What concepts of Bosis is conveyed in this Gemara?
Why in the הוה אמינא of the Gemara did the Gemara believe one may not move a pan with ashes?
What switched in the conclusion of the Gemara that one is permitted to move a pan with ashes?
Learn תוס’ “ואמר
Learn תוס’ “הוה
See גמרא דף קמב which states when a basket contains fruits and a rock although the basket is not a Bosis one must first shake out the rock before moving the basket.
Why in the case of the pan and and the ashes does the broken pieces of wood not have to be shaken out ?
Learn ריטב”א
See שו”ע ס’ שי סע’ ח
Learn תוס’ “בגלילא
When do we consider a בסיס לדבר האסור ומותר as a base to the non Muktzah and not reverse?
Learn גמרא דף מז. “א”ר זירא (second line of the Amud) until “לוי בר שמואל”
Why in the הוה אמינא of the Gemara did the Gemara believe one may not move a pan with ashes?
What switched in the conclusion of the Gemara that one is permitted to move a pan with ashes?
Why does רש'”י “הא ליכא פירי need to establish this Gemara according to ר”י? Why would it not be Muktzah even according to ר”ש as he also holds of the concept of Bosis as stated in the Gemara above why a lit lantern is Muktzah as it is a bosis to the flame?
Learn מהרש”א
Learn תוס’ “לי
What concepts of Bosis is conveyed in this Gemara?
Based on the above different reasons are the following items Muktzah? (See אורחת שבת חלק ב פרק יט סע’ קפ והערה רמא)
Electric Light
Flashlight
Crock Pot, Hot water urn
Electric Light
See ספר טלטולי שבת from Rabbi Pinchos Bodner in the back of the Sefer this question to Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l תשובות להגאון ר’ משה פיינשטיין זצ”ל אות יא
See שמירת שבת כהלכתה פרק יג הערה ק”ג
And אורחת שבת חלק ב פרק יט סע’ קפא והערה רמג
Electric blanket
Learn אג”מ או”ח ח”ג ס’ נ (just the first four paragraphs)
Crock Pot, Hot water urn
See ספר טלטולי שבת from Rabbi Pinchos Bodner in the back of the Sefer this question to Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l תשובות להגאון ר’ משה פיינשטיין זצ”ל אות יא
And אורחת שבת חלק ב פרק יט סע’ קפב & קפג והערה רמד-רמו
Learn אג”מ חלק ד ? & ה
Learn גמרא דף מז. “א”ר זירא (second line of the Amud) until “אמר אביי קרטין דבי רבי”
Learn the “גמרא דף מו: “רמי ליה until “מתיב רמי בר חמא” (middle of the Amud)
Sugya – יושב ומצפה
Major Question:
If ר”ש does not hold of מיגו דאתקצאי than why does he require the condition of יושב ומצפה?
There is a major machlokes between ר”י & ר”ש if a lantern that was lit at the beginning of Shabbos remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame is extinguished.
This machlokes is contingent on the concept of מיגו דאתקצאי – something which is Muktza during Bein Hashmoshas remains Muktza for the entire Shabbos.
Major Question:
What is the reasoning of מיגו דאתקצאי?
Review the אפיקי ים חלק ב ס’ יט – first two paragraphs.
Why does ר”ש not hold of – מיגו דאתקצאי?
Learn אפיקי ים חלק ב ס’ יט – (page רד bottom of the right column “והנה” for an incredible explanation)
The Gemara brought two opinions in regards to a large container of oil if ר”ש agrees that it is muktza even after the flame goes out.
What is the explanation for their argument?
Learn אפיקי ים חלק ב ס’ יט – (page רד bottom of the left column “ומה נעים” for an incredible explanation.
