Sugya: בסיס

Discussing the גמרא דף מז. “א”ר זירא (second line of the Amud) until “לוי בר שמואל”

The גמרא דף קמב states when a basket contains fruits and a rock although the basket is not a Bosis one must first shake out the rock before moving the basket. 

Question:

Why in the case of the pan and the ashes does the broken pieces of wood not have to be shaken out?

Learn ריטב”א “הכא נמי

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Learn שו”ע ס’ שי סע’ ח

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Questions: 

When do we consider a בסיס לדבר האסור ומותר as a base to the non Muktzah and not reverse?

Learn תוס’ “בגלילא

Learn טור ס’ ש”י סע’ ח and the בית יוסף

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https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=17

Is חשוב defined by how the public relates to the item or the individual?

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And משנה ברורה ס”ק לג

What determines what is חשוב? Is it value or need?

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And אגרות משה אורח חיים ח”ה ס’ כב’ אות יז

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=922&st=&pgnum=118

See שולחן שלמה ס’ ש”ח ס”ק כח אות ג who gives a different definition then the משנה ברורה and אג”מ

The classic example to ensure a table is not a בסיס to candlesticks is to leave challah on the table for the period of bein hashmashos at the beginning of Shabbos. 

Question:

According to Reb Shlomo Zalman why does that help wouldn’t rather give up the challah than the expensive candlesticks? 

See אורחת שבת חלק ב פרק יט הערה תי”ד for an answer 

Sugya: בסיס 

Very quickly review גמרא דף מז. “א”ר זירא (second line of the Amud) until “לוי בר שמואל”

Question:

Does the Muktzah item that creates the Bosis have to be more valuable than the Bosis?

Are there Muktzah items that will not create a Bosis? 

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Learn תוס’ “הוה

Learn משנה ברורה ס’ ש”י ס”ק לא

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=233 

The גמרא דף קמב states when a basket contains fruits and a rock although the basket is not a Bosis one must first shakeout the rock before moving the basket. 

Why in the case of the pan and the ashes does the broken pieces of wood not have to be shaken out?

Learn ריטב”א

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&st=&pgnum=219

See שו”ע ס’ שי סע’ ח

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=233

When do we consider a בסיס לדבר האסור ומותר as a base to the non Muktzah and not reverse?

Learn תוס’ “בגלילא

See טור ס’ ש”י סע’ ח and the בית יוסף

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=16

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=17

Is חשוב defined by how the public relates to the item or the individual?

Learn שולחן ערוך ס’ ש”י סע’ ח

And משנה ברורה  ס”ק לג

What determines what is חשוב? Is it value or need?

Learn משנה ברורה ס”‘ רעז ס”‘ק יח

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=121

And אגרות משה אורח חיים ח”ה ס’ כב’ אות יז

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=922&st=&pgnum=118

See  שולחן שלמה ס’ ש”ח ס”ק כח אות ג who gives a different definition then the משנה ברורה and אג”מ

The classic example to ensure a table is not a בסיס to candlesticks is to leave challah on the table for the period of bein hashmashos at the beginning of Shabbos. 

Question:

According to Reb Shlomo Zalman why does that help wouldn’t rather give up the challah than the expensive candlesticks? 

See אורחת שבת חלק ב פרק יט הערה תי”ד for an answer 

Sugya: בסיס 

Very quickly review גמרא דף מז. “א”ר זירא (second line of the Amud) until “לוי בר שמואל”

Learn תוס’ “ואמר

Learn תוס’ “הוה

See גמרא דף קמב which states when a basket contains fruits and a rock although the basket is not a Bosis one must first shake out the rock before moving the basket. 

Why in the case of the pan and the ashes does the broken pieces of wood not have to be shaken out ?

Learn ריטב”א

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&st=&pgnum=219

See שו”ע ס’ שי סע’ ח

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=233

Learn תוס’ “בגלילא

When do we consider a בסיס לדבר האסור ומותר as a base to the non Muktzah and not reverse?

See טור ס’ ש”י סע’ ח and the בית יוסף

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=16

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=17

See שו”ע  and משנה ברורה ס”ק לג

Also משנה ברורה ס”‘ רעז ס”‘ק יח

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=121

Sugya: בסיס 

Review גמרא דף מז. “א”ר זירא (second line of the Amud) until “לוי בר שמואל”

Questions:

What concepts of Bosis is conveyed in this Gemara?

Why in the הוה אמינא of the Gemara did the Gemara believe one may not move a pan with ashes?

What switched in the conclusion of the Gemara that one is permitted to move a pan with ashes?

Learn תוס’ “ואמר

Learn תוס’ “הוה

See גמרא דף קמב which states when a basket contains fruits and a rock although the basket is not a Bosis one must first shake out the rock before moving the basket. 

Why in the case of the pan and and the ashes does the broken pieces of wood not have to be shaken out ?

Learn ריטב”א 

See שו”ע ס’ שי סע’ ח 

Learn תוס’ “בגלילא

When do we consider a בסיס לדבר האסור ומותר as a base to the non Muktzah and not reverse?

See טור ס’ ש”י סע’ ח and the בית יוסף 

See שו”ע  and משנה ברורה ס”ק לג

Also משנה ברורה ס”‘ רעז ס”‘ק יח

Sugya: בסיס 

Learn גמרא דף מז. “א”ר זירא (second line of the Amud) until “לוי בר שמואל”

Why in the הוה אמינא of the Gemara did the Gemara believe one may not move a pan with ashes?

What switched in the conclusion of the Gemara that one is permitted to move a pan with ashes?

Why does רש'”י “הא ליכא פירי need to establish this Gemara according to ר”י? Why would it not be Muktzah even according to ר”ש as he also holds of the concept of Bosis as stated in the Gemara above why a lit lantern is Muktzah as it is a bosis to the flame?

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Learn תוס’ “לי

What concepts of Bosis is conveyed in this Gemara?

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Learn תוס’ “הוה