Quickly review the גמרא דף מד. “א”ר זירא (two lines before the wide lines) until the two dots (two lines from bottom of the Amud)
Review תוס’ “לדברי
Question:
Tosfos says that although neither מוקצה מחמת איסור or מוקצה מחמת מיאוס is enough of a logic to make an item Muktzah when they are combined it will render the item Muktzah.
What is the reasoning for this?
Major Question:
What is the reasoning of מיגו דאתקצאי something which is Muktza during Bein Hashmoshas remains Muktza for the entire Shabbos?
Why does ר”ש not hold of – מיגו דאתקצאי – it does not remain Muktza for the entire Shabbos?
The Gemara earlier brought two opinions in regards to a large container of oil if ר”ש agrees that it is muktza even after the fame goes out.
Learn the גמרא דף מד. “א”ר זירא (two lines before the wide lines) until the two dots (two lines from bottom of the Amud)
Learn תוס’ “לדברי
Question:
Tosfos says that although neither מוקצה מחמת איסור or מוקצה מחמת מיאוס is enough of a logic to make an item Muktzah when they are combined it will render the item Muktzah.
What is the point of dispute between ר”ש & רבי אליעזר בן רבי שמעון in regards to the oil that drips out of the lantern while the flame is still burning?
Very quickly review משנה דף מד and the גמרא until “אבל כוס קערה ועששית (middle of the Amud)
Questions:
Why is the נר Muktzah?
Why is a נר ישן של חרס Muktzah?
What is the point of dispute between ר”י & ר”ש in regards to מוקצה מחמת מיאוס?
What is the point of dispute between ר”ש & רבי אליעזר בן רבי שמעון in regards to the oil that drips out of the lantern while the flame is still burning?
Learn רשב”א
Learn ח’ ר”ן
Learn the גמרא דף מד. “אבל כוס קערה ועששית until “א”ר זירא (two lines before the wide lines)
Questions:
According to ר”מ why does a lantern that was lit when Shabbos started remain Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame went out?
Why does ר”ש agree that a כוס קערה ועששית remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame went out?
Learn ריטב”א
Does רבי אליעזר בן רבי שמעון also agree that a כוס קערה ועששית remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame went out?
Is the oil Muktza to move or just prohibited to use?
Learn מהרש”א on Tosfos
According to ר”ש is the oil that drips out while the lantern is still burning just Muktza in regards to using the oil or also Muktzah for moving? – learn גליון הש”ס on Tosfos
List the different reasons why the oil is Muktzah and the נפקא מינה between the reasons
Learn משנה דף מד and the גמרא until “אבל כוס קערה ועששית (middle of the Amud)
See תשובה מהגאון ר’ משה פיינשטיין in back of Sefer Muktzah from Rabbi Pinchas Bodner אות לב
See שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק כח הערה נט
The גמרא דף מד concludes that טלטול מן הצד for the purpose of moving the Muktzah item is prohibited. However in a case where there is a dead body in a house that’s on fire one may move the body.
Question:
Is the special permission given to move the body directly or just by using טלטול מן הצד?
How do we conclude lhalacha in regards to moving Muktzah through טלטול מן הצד?
The שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ ח makes a distinction between moving for the purpose of the Muktzah item (prohibited) or for the non Muktza item (permitted) – לצורך דבר המותר או לדבר האסור
What is the logic of this distinction; Either indirect movement is considered movement or it is not considered movement, how does the intent of the movement affect the permissibility?
There are two approaches to explain this
1. Review שו”ע ס’ ש”ט סע’ ד, with the משנה ברורה ס”ק יד and the שער הציון ס’ ש”ט אות יז who gives a reason for the distinction
The Chazon Ish (above) argues on the leniency of moving Muktzah with ones body for the purpose of the Muktzah item.
How does the Chazon Ish explain
The Mishna which permits moving straw with ones back?
See תשובה מהגאון ר’ משה פיינשטיין in back of Sefer Muktzah from Rabbi Pinchas Bodner אות לב
See שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק כח הערה נט
The גמרא דף מד concludes that טלטול מן הצד for the purpose of moving the Muktzah item is prohibited. However in a case where there is a dead body in a house that’s on fire one may move the body.
Question:
Is the special permission given to move the body directly or just by using טלטול מן הצד?
And the שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ ח which makes a distinction between moving for the purpose of the Muktzah item (prohibited) or for the non Muktza item (permitted) – לצורך דבר המותר או לדבר האסור
The Shulchan Aruch also permits טלטול בגופו even for the purpose of the Muktzah item.
What is the logic of this distinction; Either indirect movement is considered movement or it is not considered movement, how does the intent of the movement affect the permissibility?
Learn שו”ע ס’ ש”ט סע’ ד, with the משנה ברורה ס”ק יד and the שער הציון ס’ ש”ט אות יז who gives a reason for the distinction
Learn חזון איש ס’ מז ס”ק יב-יד who 1. gives a different reason for the distinction and argues on the Shulchan Aruch. 2. Argues on the leniency of moving Muktzah with ones body for the purpose of the Muktzah item.
1. The distinction between moving for the purpose of the Muktzah item (prohibited) or for the non Muktza item (permitted) – לצורך דבר המותר או לדבר האסור?
2. The Mishna which permits moving straw with ones back?
See משנה ברורה ס’ ש”ח ס”ק יג which permits טלטול בגופו
Explaining גמרא דף מג: “דא”ר שמואל בר יהודה until the two dots on דף מד.
Rebbe Akiva Eiger asks ( גליון הש”ס) why can’t the mattress underneath the dead person act in same way as the ככר או תינוק to allow one to move the dead person?
Explaining גמרא דף מג: “דא”ר שמואל בר יהודה until the two dots on דף מד.
Key Point:
How does placing a ככר או תינוק circumvent the issue of moving Muktzah directly?
Review גליון הש”ס on the side of our Gemara who asks why can’t the mattress underneath the dead person act in same way as the bread or baby to allow one to move the dead person?
What is the mechanism of permission to move a dead body through a ככר או תינוק according to Rebbe Akiva Eiger?
Learn רש”ש דף מג עמ’ ב who gives an answer to Rebbe Akiva Eiger question
Review גליון הש”ס on the side of our Gemara who asks why can’t the mattress underneath the dead person act in same way as the bread or baby to allow one to move the dead person?
What is the mechanism of permission to move a dead body through a ככר או תינוק according to Rebbe Akiva Eiger?
Learn גליון הש”ס on the side of our Gemara who asks why can’t the mattress underneath the dead person act in same way as the bread or baby to allow one to move the dead person?
What is the mechanism of permission to move a dead body through a ככר או תינוק according to Rebbe Akiva Eiger?
How can one reconcile these two halachos which are seemingly contradictory? On whether the permission to move something through a ככר או תינוק is limited to a dead body or applicable to other items?
Learn גליון הש”ס on the side of our Gemara who asks why can’t the mattress underneath the dead person act in same way as the bread or baby to allow one to move the dead person?
