Many people have the practice to turn a pan upside down and place cold fully cooked solid food from the refrigerator on top of the upside down pan on Shabbos morning?
Is this permitted according to the פרי מגדים ?
Learn שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק א סעיף מד & הערה קכו
And see קובץ הלכות שבת ח”ב פרק כו סע’ לד & הערה מח
Next Question:
If one placed a pan of food on top of soup pot which is on the blech. May one move the pan on Shabbos and place it directly on the blech?
Point to consider
What is the status of a pot of food that is resting on top of another pot which is on the stovetop.
Is it considered on the fire which is גרוף וקטום or is it considered just סמוך לכירה ?
Rashi sources the איסור שהייה to הטמנה בדבר המוסיף הבל which the Gemara explains is prohibited because we are considered שמא יחתה. Tosfos argues on Rashi and says the prohibition is because שמא יחתה. How is Tosfos’ explanation different from Rashi?
According to Tosfos how does raking out the coals or placing ashes on the גפת ועצים permit one to place cooked food on the Kirah?
Learn “ר”ן “או עד שיתן האפר
List two differences between Rashi and Tosfos/ Ran in regards to הטמנה and two possible differences in regards to שהייה
According to Tosfos why is הטמנה more stringent than שהייה?
Learn “תוס’ מז: “במה
Learn ב”ח ס’ רנ”ג ס”ק י for a new explanation in Rashi
Bring a proof from Rashi דף לד: “גזירה against this explanation
Review the גמרא דף לו עמוד ב until דף לז. “ת”ש” (Eleven lines from top of the Amud)
We learnt the conditions necessary to allow חזרה on Shabbos.
Is there a permissible way to take cooked food from refrigerator and reheat it on Shabbos?
We learnt yesterday the מגיד משנה על הרמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק כב הלכה דף who brought the רשב”א who ruled it is permitted to place a pan of a dry fully cooked solid food next to a fire to reheat on Shabbos. Similarly it is permitted to place a pan of a dry fully cooked solid food on top of a pot which is on the fire.
Learn בית יוסף ס’ רנ”ג סע’ ג (it’s at the end of ס’ רנ”ג in the טור / בית יוסף ) which quotes the רשב”א and brings another leniency in the name of the ר”ן
What is the difference between what the רשב”א permits to what the ר”ן permits.
Rashi sources the איסור שהייה to הטמנה בדבר המוסיף הבל which the Gemara explains is prohibited because we are considered שמא יחתה. Tosfos argues on Rashi and says the prohibition is because שמא יחתה. How is Tosfos’ explanation different from Rashi?
According to Tosfos how does raking out the coals or placing ashes on the גפת ועצים permit one to place cooked food on the Kirah?
Learn “ר”ן “או עד שיתן האפר
List two differences between Rashi and Tosfos/ Ran in regards to הטמנה and two possible differences in regards to שהייה
According to Tosfos why is הטמנה more stringent than שהייה?
Learn “תוס’ מז: “במה
Learn ב”ח ס’ רנ”ג ס”ק י for a new explanation in Rashi
Bring a proof from Rashi דף לד: “גזירה against this explanation
Review the גמרא דף לו עמוד ב until דף לז. “ת”ש” (Eleven lines from top of the Amud)
In the event someone removed a hot pot from the fire on Friday before Shabbos and placed it on the counter with intent to place on the blech and discovered on Shabbos that he forgot to place on the blech. May he place on the blech on Shabbos?
See אורחת שבת ח”א פרק ב סעיף נא והערה פד
A pot that was left on a hot spot on the blech and then moved over to a spot which is not יד סולדת with intent to return to the hotter area but person let go of the pot, may it be returned to the hot spot on the blech?
Write a summary of the laws of chazarah and all it’s conditions.
In case of need which conditions do not need to be met?
Questions:
For the condition of עודו בידו does one need to hold the pot in their hands or is placing on the counter and keeping ones hand onto the pot handle sufficient?
Would the same apply if placed the pot on the floor and held onto to the handle?
See קובץ הלכות ה’ שבת חלק ב פרק כו סע’ מז והערה אות סו
and אורחת שבת ח”א פרק ב סעיף מה והערה עג
And שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק א סעיף כ אות ד והערה ס -סא
In the event someone removed a hot pot from the fire on Friday before Shabbos and placed it on the counter with intent to place on the blech and discovered on Shabbos that he forgot to place on the blech. May he place on the blech on Shabbos?
See אורחת שבת ח”א פרק ב סעיף נא והערה פד
A pot that was left on a hot spot on the blech and then moved over to a spot which is not יד סולדת with intent to return to the hotter area but person let go of the pot, may it be returned to the hot spot on the blech?
There are two prohibitions listed in the Mishna – שהייה & חזרה
We are going to first focus on the איסור שהייה
Questions:
What is the reason for the איסור שהייה?
See רש”י לו: “עד שיגרוף
Why does Rashi source the reason for איסור שהייה to a Gemara of איסור הטמנה (insulating)?
Learn the גמרא דף לד עמוד ב which explains the two different types of הטמנה and why each are prohibited.
According to Rashi how does גרוף או קטום remove the fact of מוסיף הבל?
Learn תוס’ דף לו: “לא
Clarify the two questions of Tosfos on Rashi
Major Question:
Rashi sources the איסור שהייה to הטמנה בדבר המוסיף הבל which the Gemara explains is prohibited because we are considered שמא יחתה. Tosfos argues on Rashi and says the prohibition is because שמא יחתה. How is Tosfos’ explanation different from Rashi?
Why does raking out the coals or placing ashes on the גפת ועצים permit one to place cooked food on the Kirah?
Learn “ר”ן “או עד שיתן האפר
Note the differences between the questions Tosfos asks in Rashi and the the questions the Ran asks on Rashi.
What is the difference between Rashi and the Ran?
Learn בית יוסף & ב”ח ס’ רנ”ג סע’ א (I will show you exact piece)
Review שולחן ערוך ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב and the משנה ברורה
Write a summary of the laws of chazarah and all it’s conditions.
In case of need which conditions do not need to be met?
Questions:
What are the following surfaces more comparable to – placing on a bed or placing on the floor?
Kitchen countertop, table, refrigerator?
See קובץ הלכות ה’ שבת חלק ב פרק כו סע’ מז והערה אות סו
and אורחת שבת ח”א פרק ב סעיף מה והערה עג
And שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק א סעיף כ אות ד והערה ס -סא
For the condition of עודו בידו does one need to hold the pot in their hands or is placing on the counter and keeping ones hand onto the pot handle sufficient?
Would the same apply if placed the pot on the floor and held onto to the handle?
See קובץ הלכות ה’ שבת חלק ב פרק כו סע’ מו והערה אות סד
and אורחת שבת ח”א פרק ב סעיף מז והערה עו
And שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק א סעיף כ אות ד והערה סב
In the event someone removed a hot pot from the fire on Friday before Shabbos and placed it on the counter with intent to place on the blech and discovered on Shabbos that he forgot to place on the blech. May he place on the blech on Shabbos?
Learn ביאור הלכה ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב “ואם הניח על גבי קרקע which summarizes the halacha of the case of Rebbe Akiva Eiger whether it is permitted to return a pot to the stovetop that was removed from the fire without permission of the owner without intent to return but it is still in his hand?
Based on the machlokes of Rebbe Akiva Eiger and Rav Shach what is the halacha in the cases below?
Is it the same or more of a reason to permit returning to the blech or more of a reason to prohibit? Why?
1. A pot slides off the blech on to the counter top?
2. A pot slides to the floor?
3. The electricity or fire goes out?
(See אגרות משה או”ח חלק ד ס’ ע”ד בישול אות לא, קובץ הלכות ה’ שבת חלק ב פרק כו סע’ מט והערה סח, שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק א סעיף כז והערה עט, שו”ת בצל החכמה חלק ד ס’ קלז ס”ק יט, אורחת שבת ח”א פרק ב סעיף מט והערה פב)
4. The electricity goes out and a few hours later goes back on by the electric company and the food remained on hot plate the entire time?
See אורחת שבת above)
5. Someone mistakenly takes the Shabbos day cholent off the fire thinking it is the chicken soup pot for the Friday night sueda and places on the counter without intent to return?
What if he places it on the ground?
(See קובץ הלכות ה’ שבת חלק ב פרק כו סע’ גם והערה עה, שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק א סעיף כג והערה עה ,שו”ת בצל החכמה חלק ד ס’ קלז ס”ק יח, אורחת שבת ח”א פרק ב סעיף מה והערה עח)
Is the requirement of דעתו להחזיר to have specific intent to return or as long as do not have specific intent not to return.
What is the halacha if a pot slides off the blech on to the counter top, may it be returned to the blech?
If the electricity or fire goes out is it permitted to move the pot to a different fire?
Review ה’ רע”א ס’ רנ”ג אות ו
What is the reason if someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and places it on the ground it is prohibited to return it to the stovetop?
According to Rebbe Akiva Eiger what is the machlokes between Tosfos and the Rash whether it is permitted to return a pot to the stovetop that was removes from the fire without permission of the owner without intent to return it to the fire but it is still in his hand?
Learn אבי עזרי ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י who asks a question on Rebbe Akiva Eiger
Based on Rebbe Akiva Eiger what should be the halacha in the case a pot slides off the stovetop?
What is the point of disagreement between Rav Shach (אבי עזרי) and Rebbe Akiva Eiger?
See letter in back of ספר אורחת שבת ח”א from Hagaon Rav Shmuel Aurbach zt”l for an answer to the question of Rav Shach.
If someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and places it in the ground is it permitted to return it to the stovetop?
If someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and does not have intent to return it to the fire but it is still in his hand. Is it permitted to return it to the stovetop?
Learn ה’ רע”א ס’ רנ”ג אות ז
Learn אבי עזרי ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י who asks a question on Rebbe Akiva Eiger
See letter in back of ספר אורחת שבת ח”א from Hagaon Rav Shmuel Aurbach zt”l for an answer to the question of Rav Shach
Point to consider
Is the requirement of דעתו להחזיר to have specific intent to return or as long as do not have specific intent not to return.
What is the halacha if a pot slides off the blech on to the counter top, may it be returned to the blech?
If the electricity or fire goes out is it permitted to move the pot to a different fire?
Focus on the יש אומרים שכל זה אינו אסור – the chidush of the ר”ן from the ירושלמי
See משנה ברורה ס”ק סג-סז
Major Question:
Why does the Mishna Berura not permit returning a pot to the fire when it was placed on the ground with intent to return as the Rema says was the accepted practice?
Can we rely on the ruling of the ר”ן in cases of בדיעבד ?