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Conclusion of Topic: Making a bracha עובר לעשייתן
Quickly review “תוספת דף לט. “עובר
Note:
Summarize the three options that Tosfos presents as to how to make the Bracha on the Daled Minim עובר לעשייתן.
Question:
Why does”nt Tosfos give the option of making the bracha prior to picking up the Daled Minim by grasping the Daled Minim with one’s hands while they are still on the table?
See first few lines of גמרא דף מב. “מדאגביה נפיק ביה
Learn “גמרא דף ו: “ההוא מבוי עקום (four lines before the wide lines) until “דף ז. “מ”מ קשיא (eight lines from top of the Amud) Question: See גמרא בבא מציעא דף נט עמוד ב relates an episode where there was a major dispute between the Chachamim and Rebbe Eliezer and although a בת קול said the Halacha is like Rebbe Eliezer the Chachamim did not follow the בת קול. How was the Chachamim allowed to ignore the בת קול? Learn “תוס’ דף ו: “כאן
Continue learning the “גמרא דף ז. “מ”מ קשיא until the two dots on דף ז Clarify when keeping two chumras is considered foolish. Learn “תוס’ דף ו: “ומי
Learn “גמרא דף ו: “ההוא מבוי עקום (four lines before the wide lines) until “דף ז. “מ”מ קשיא (eight lines from top of the Amud) Learn “תוס’ דף ו: “ומי Learn “תוס’ דף ו: “כאן
Continue learning the “גמרא דף ז. “מ”מ קשיא until the two dots on דף ז
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Very quickly review גמרא דף לח: “אמר רבא (three lines from the bottom of the Amud) until first set of two dots on דף לט
Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ נו רמ”א סעיף א Question: How is this halacha consistent with the conclusion of our Gemara? See משנה ברורה for an answer
Continue learning the Gemara until the Mishna
Topic: Making a bracha עובר לעשייתן
Question: Why should one make a bracha specifically before performing the mitzvah? See ריטב”א פסחים דף ז עמוד ב https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=38616&st=&pgnum=12
Learn תוספת “עובר Note: How Tosfos describes what is עובר לעשייתן for the mitzvah of Daled Minim. The three options that Tosfos presents as to what is עובר לעשייתן for the mitzvah of Daled Minim.
Question: What’s the minimum action necessary to fulfill the Mitzvah of Daled Minim? See first few lines of גמרא דף מב. “מדאגביה נפיק ביה
Does the Rambam rule like Rebbe Yochanan? Seemingly the gemara only discussed whether the door needs to be closed at night or suitable to be closed in regards to a מבוי מפולש. From where does the Rambam know that ראוי לנעול is acceptable for a רה”ר? List the different explanations how to explain the ruling of the Rambam
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Sugya – שומע כעונה
Fundamental concept in how שומע כעונה operates If a person is in the middle of silent shemoneh esreh and the Shaliach Tzibbur is saying kedusha or kadish should he be silent and listen?
See רש”י סוכה לח: “הוא אמר ברוך Rashi says if a person is in middle of silent shemoneh esreh and the Shaliach Tzibbur is saying kedusha or kadish he should pay attention to the words and it will be considered as if he responded through the concept of שומע כעונה Learn תוספת “שמע ולא ענה who asks a question on Rashi from the גמרא ברכות
How does Rashi answer Tosfos’ question from the Gemara in Berachos? What is the point of disagreement between Rashi and Tosfos? See קהילת יעקב ברכות ס’ י”ב אות ב for two possible explanations. The second explanation is based on a fundamental חקירה in how the concept of שומע כעונה operates. Learn ריטב”א “הוא אומר ברוך who gives a different explanation as to why שומע כעונה does not help for the individual who is middle of his silent shemoneh esreh.
How do we conclude lhalacha if a person is in the middle of silent shemoneh esreh and the Shat”z is saying kedusha or kadish do we rule like Rashi or Tosfos? See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ ק”ד סעיף ז
List of cases to consider whether one can utilize the concept of שומע כעונה If one physically can not respond as he is mute? See שולחן ערוך יורה דעה ס’ א סעיף ז If one based on halacha reasons can not respond, for example, a dirty diaper in front of him, needs to use the restroom … ? See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ ק”ד סעיף ז ביאור הלכה “ויהיה כעונה
See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ קס”ז סעיף ב and משנה ברורה ס”ק י”ח-כ (extra see ביאור הלכה “והמברך who challenges the requirement of the person reciting the bracha to have intent with the Amen of the listener.)
Major Question on the Shulchan Aruch: Why does the listener who wants to be yotzei with the bracha of birchas hagomel need to respond Amen as we rule שומע כעונה works even without responding Amen? Learn ביאור הלכה “וענה אמן who brings three different answers
Question: Can one who already fulfilled a mitzvah be motzi another person with that mitzvah through שומע כעונה? See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ רע”ג סעיף ד Focus on the משנה ברורה ס”ק כ which brings the Pri Chodesh and the Artzos Hachaim who argues on the ruling of the Shulchan Aruch in regards if the listener knows how to recite the bracha himself.
See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ ח סעיף ה and משנה ברורה ס”ק יד and שער הציון אות כא which brings the same dispute as above. See משנה ברורה ס”ק יג which states at times it better for one person to recite the bracha for everyone https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60386&st=&pgnum=33&hilite=
How does doors remove the issue of אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות? Even if the doors are closed at night people are still streaming into this city/street the entire day?
How can the Gemara compare the requirements for the entrance to yerushalayim to the opening between the blocks of the פסי ביראות. The entrance of Yerushalyim was 16 Amos and the size of the space between the blocks of פסי ביראות was just 13 Amos. Perhaps the Rabanan would agree when the width of the entrance is 16 amos (the size of a Reshus Harabim) we would say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות
Learn “תוס’ דף כב. “והא
Major Question:
There seems to be a contradiction between “תוס’ דף כב. “והא and “תוס’ דף ו: “והאמר According to תוס’ דף כב the Rabanan hold we do not say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות on a צוה”פ but תוס’ דף ו is clear that we do say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות on a צוה”פ?
See ת’ רע”א חדשות ס’ ו who explains there is a big difference between the case of the two Gemaras
Do דלתות need a צוה”פ?
This is a major dispute in the Achronim (See חזון איש)
Is it possible to transform a town square into a reshus hayachid?
See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ קס”ז סעיף ב and משנה ברורה ס”ק י”ח-כ (extra see ביאור הלכה “והמברך who challenges the requirement of the person reciting the bracha to have intent with the Amen of the listener.)
Major Question on the Shulchan Aruch: Why does the listener who wants to be yotzei with the bracha of birchas hagomel need to respond Amen as we rule שומע כעונה works even without responding Amen? Learn ביאור הלכה “וענה אמן who brings three different answers
Question: When listener is being yotzei Hallel through שומע כעונה does he need to respond הללויה why or why not? Is the response of הללויה the same as responding Amen? Bring a proof from ביאור הלכה “הלל” אורח חיים ס’ תכב סעיף ב who brings Rabbeinu Yeruchom https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&st=&pgnum=184
Yesterday we discussed two answers to the following major question: The gemara asks a question on the Rabanan how could they allow a לחי וקורה on one side and צוה”פ on the other when Yerushalayim needed it’s gates closed in order to prevent it from being a Reshus Harabim. How could the gemara challenge the Rabanan’s opinion from the opinion of Rebbe Yochanan when it’s clear from דף כב that they disagree on when we say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות? Tosfos “תוס’ דף ו:” והאמר (from וא”ת) – From Rebbe Yochanan opinion of when we say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות with only four partial walls we can learn that the Rabanan should also say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות when there are just two complete walls. Ritva דף כב. “כאן הודיעך – The Gemara is ruling like Rebbe Yochanan when we say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות but rules like the Rabanan in regards to the minimum amount of walls needed to create a Reshus Hayachid.
Major Question: Why should Yerushalayim need doors closed at night;Yerushalayim had four walls so according to Rabanan we should not say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות and since it had two whole side walls we should not say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות even according to Rebbe Yochanan? Learn תוס’ דף כב. “חייבין Learn ריטב”א דף כב. “כאן הודיעך for an answer https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37287&st=&pgnum=34
Questions: Does אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות break all the walls or just the ones the public are passing through? When the public walks through mechitzos does it break the entire wall on that side or just the area the people are walking through? Bring a proof from the above Ritva
Is it possible to transform a town square into a reshus hayachid?
Very quickly review משנה דף כב and the Gemara until א”ר יצחק (bottom of the Amud)
Clarify when we say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות
Major Question: The gemara asks a question on the Rabanan how could they allow a לחי וקורה on one side and צוה”פ on the other when Yerushalayim needed it’s gates closed in order to prevent it from being a Reshus Harabim. How could the gemara ask on the Rabanan a question based on the requirements of Rebbe Yochanan. They clearly have different requirements. As the Rabanan hold if there are four corners it’s considered a Reshus Hayachid and we don’t say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות? There is a major dispute in the Rishonim how to answer this question Learn “תוס’ דף ו:” והאמר from וא”ת
Question: When the public walks through mechitzos does it break the entire wall on that side or just the area the people are walking through? Learn תוס’ דף כב. “והא” & חייבין” Learn ריטב”א דף כב. “כאן הודיעך for a different approach than tosfos. https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37287&st=&pgnum=34
Question: Can one who already fulfilled a mitzvah be motzi another person with that mitzvah through שומע כעונה? See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ רע”ג סעיף ד Focus on the משנה ברורה ס”ק כ which brings the Pri Chodesh and the Artzos Hachaim who argues on the ruling of the Shulchan Aruch in regards if the listener knows how to recite the bracha himself.
See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ ח סעיף ה and משנה ברורה ס”ק יד and שער הציון אות כא which brings the same dispute as above. See משנה ברורה ס”ק יג which states at times it better for one person to recite the bracha for everyone https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60386&st=&pgnum=33&hilite=
Learn ביאור הלכה “הלל” אורח חיים ס’ תכב סעיף ב who brings Rabbeinu Yerucham who brings a proof from gemara that one must respond הללויה in order to be yotzei the reading of Hallel as a proof to the opinion of the Shulchan Aruch. Note the answer the Biur Halacha brings from the Pri Chodosh to explain our Gemara. https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&st=&pgnum=184
Review משנה דף כב and the Gemara until א”ר יצחק (bottom of the Amud)
Clarify when we say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות
Major Question: The gemara asks a question on the Rabanan How could they allow a לחי וקורה on one side and צוה”פ on the other when Yerushalayim needed it’s gates closed in order to prevent it from being a Reshus Harabim. How could the gemara ask on the Rabanan a question based on the requirements of Rebbe Yochanan. They clearly have different requirements. As the Rabanan hold if there are four corners it’s considered a Reshus Hayachid and we don’t say אתי רבים ומבטלי מחיצות? There is a major dispute in the Rishonim how to answer this question Learn “תוס’ דף ו:” והאמר from וא”ת Learn ריטב”א דף כב Also see the בעל המאור and מלחמת ה’ on the ריף halachic conclusion of the גמרא דף כב
Question: When the public walks through mechitzos does it break the entire wall on that side or just the area the people are walking through? Learn תוס’ דף כב. “והא” & חייבין” And ריטב”א דף כב for a different approach than tosfos.
Very quickly review the גמרא דף ו. “ת”ר כיצד מערבין רה”ר (two dots – six lines from bottom of the Amud) until “דף ו: “איבעיא להו (middle of the Amud)
Questions: Is the question of the Gemara from the fact that yerushalayim needed two doors or from the fact that the door needed to be closed at night? Learn “תוס’ דף ו: ” והאמר until וא”ת
Learn משנה דף כב and the Gemara until א”ר יצחק (bottom of the Amud) Continue learning “תוס’ דף ו:” והאמר from וא”ת who asks a major question from the גמרא דף כב
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Sugya – שומע כעונה
The Shulchan Aruch ס’ רי”ג says that in order to be מוציא through שומע כעונה the person needs to be a בר חיובא Question: Our Gemara says the source for שומע כעונה is when Shafan read the Torah in front of Yoshiayahu. What was Yoshiayahu’s obligation to read from the Torah?
Question: Which brachos are excluded from utilizing the rule of שומע כעונה? See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ קס”ז סעיף י”ט & כ and משנה ברורה ס”ק צב which differentiates between birchas hamitzvos and birchas hanehanin.
Question: Can one who already fulfilled a mitzvah be motzi another person with that mitzvah through שומע כעונה? See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ רע”ג סעיף ד Focus on the משנה ברורה ס”ק כ which brings the Pri Chodesh and the Artzos Hachaim who argues on the ruling of the Shulchan Aruch in regards if the listener knows how to recite the bracha himself.
Review the גמרא דף ו. “ת”ר כיצד מערבין רה”ר (two dots – six lines from bottom of the Amud) until “דף ו: “איבעיא להו (middle of the Amud)
Questions: How could a לחי או קורה help for a a street which is 16 Amos wide? Learn “תוס’ דף ו. “ולחי
The gemara brings ר’ יוחנן who rules Yerushalayim would be considered a רה”ר if not for its doors being closed at night Who is the Gemara asking on – the ת”ק or ב”ה? Is the question of the Gemara from the fact that yerushalayim needed two doors or from the fact that the door needed to be closed at night? Learn “תוס’ דף ו: ” והאמר until וא”ת
Learn משנה דף כב and the Gemara until א”ר יצחק (bottom of the Amud) Continue learning “תוס’ דף ו:” והאמר from וא”ת who asks a major question from the גמרא דף כב
Does שומע כעונה apply For someone who physically can not respond as he is mute? See שולחן ערוך יורה דעה ס’ א סעיף ז For someone who can not respond based on halacha for example, dirty diaper in front of him, needs to use the restroom … ? See שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ ק”ד סעיף ז ביאור הלכה “ויהיה כעונה
The Shulchan Aruch ס’ רי”ג says that in order to be מוציא through שומע כעונה the person needs to be a בר חיובא Question: Our Gemara says the source for שומע כעונה is when Shafan read the Torah in front of Yoshiayahu. What was Yoshiayahu’s obligation to read from the Torah?
