Rabbi Eliyahu Greenfeld : Kinyan Hamesechta – Gemara Taanis – Second Perek 18a – 18b: Vichein Amar Bali Amar Rabi Chiya ba Raba Amar Reb Yochanan…(08/09/23)
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Learn גמרא דף יד “אמר רב ששת until the two dots (two lines before the medium size lines)
Why does ר’ יהודה not require קורה to be strong enough to support a brick?
Learn ר’ יהונתן משנה יג: “ר’ יהודה & דף ב. “ור’ יהודה
Learn תוס’ דף יד. “ובלבד
Review the Mishna דף יג עמוד ב
Questions:
How many bricks does the קורה need to be able to support?
Learn the ריטב”א
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And ר’ יהונתן
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What is the reason the קורה need to be a Tefachim wide?
See ר’ יהונתן
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And רש”י דף ג. הניטלת
According to whose opinion is a קורה made out of straw or twigs kosher?
See Rashi.
Learn תוס’ דף יד. “ובלבד
Learn גמרא דף יד until “אמר רב ששת”
How do we conclude lhalacha?
Learn שולחן ארוך ס’ שס”ג סע’י”ז with Mishna Berurah
Learn ביאור הלכה ס’ שס”ג סע’ י”ז “חזקה
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Starting from the Mishna דף יג עמוד ב
Learn the ריטב”א
And ר’ יהונתן
Learn רש”י דף ג. הניטלת
Learn first few lines of the גמרא דף יד
Review the Gemara דף יג: “א”ר אבהו אמר ר’ יוחנן (middle of the narrow lines) until “א”ר אבא אמר שמואל ” (four lines before the wide lines)
Question:
What is the greatness of finding reasonings which are not correct for example being מטהר את הטמא?
See מהרש”א ח’ אגדות סנהדרין דף י”ז “לטהר השרץ
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Learn the Gemara from “א”ר אבא אמר שמואל ” (four lines before the wide lines) until “ת”ר שתי שנים ומחצה ” (four lines before the Mishna)
Questions:
How is it possible for both opinions to be דברי אלוקים חיים when they are contradictory?
Learn ריטב”א “אלו ואלו
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See מהרש”א ח’ אגדות חגיגה דף ג “נתנו (in middle)
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The גמרא בבא מציעא דף נט עמוד ב says we don’t listen to a בת קול as Torah is not in the heaven. How could the Bas Kol rule the Halacha is like Beis Hillel?
Learn תוס’ דף ו: “כאן
The Gemara lists two qualities of Beis Hillel as the reason why the Halacha is in accordance to Beis Hillel.
How does the quality of נוחים ועלובין help to determine the Halacha like Beis Hillel?
Learn שיחות מוסר מאמר לו (page קנא) & מאמר מז (page קצט)
How does the fact that Beis Hillel quoted the opinion of Beis Shamai and presented Beis Shamai opinion first help to determine the Halacha like Beis Hillel?
Learn שיחות מוסר מאמר י (page מא) & מאמר עו (page שלד)
Continue learning the Gemara from “ת”ר שתי שנים ומחצה ” (four lines before the Mishna) until the Mishna
Questions:
What is the difference between מגביה עצמו, מחזר אחר גדולה & דוחק את השעה?
Learn מהרש”א
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What is the difference between יפשפש במעשיו and ימשמש במעשיו?
See Rashi
Why is it more נוח for man not to be created?
If it was better for man not to have been created why did ,Hashem create man?
The Tanaaim did not spend time debating philosophical ideas unless it had some application to Torah and Avodas Hashem. What practical difference does this debate and conclusion of mans creation have in our lives?
What is the Gemara telling us that now man is created יפשפש במעשיו and ימשמש במעשיו? Is this some form of consolation?
Learn מהרש”א ח’ אגדות מכות דף כג: “תרי”ג
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Quickly review the “גמרא דף מד: “אמר אייבו until next “אמר אייבו
Questions:
In conclusion of the Gemara is the taking of Aravos on Hoshana Rabbah זכר למקדש or מנהג נביאים?
What do we conclude lhalacha in regards to making a bracha on taking the Aravos?
Learn טור אורח חיים ס’ תרס”ד סעיף ב for a few different opinions
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And שולחן ערוך סע’ ב, ד-ו with the משנה ברורה for final conclusion
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Major Question:
The גמרא דף מג concluded that Aravah was בנטילה – everyone waved the Aravos each day of Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash and the זכר למקדש replicates the way it was performed in the Beis Hamikdash & on דף מד the aravos were taken when encircling the Mizbaich.
The gemara concluded that Hoshanos we’re instituted זכר למקדש for the נטילה which was walking around the mizbaich?
Why is our minhag to walk around the bima each day of Sukkos with the set of Daled Minim one time and on Hoshana Rabbah seven times. We should be holding aravos as they did in the Beis Hamikdash when they circled the Mizbaich?
See בית יוסף & ב”ח סעיף ג
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Review the Gemara דף יג: “א”ר אחר בר חנינא (fifth line from top of Amud) until “א”ר אבא אמר שמואל ” (four lines before the wide lines)
Questions:
How did Rebbe Meir enlighten the eyes of the chachamim in halacha when the Gemara says the chachamim did not rule like Rebbe Meir as they could not comprehend his teachings?
Learn מהרש”א
What is the greatness of finding reasonings which are not correct for example being מטהר את הטמא?
How does seeing the back of head of Rebbe Meir sharpen ones learning skills?
How would seeing his face sharpen ones learning skills even more?
How do we learn this from the pasuk והיו עיניך רואות את מוריך?
Learn מהרש”א
And בן יהוידע
Learn שיחות מוסר מאמר מא (page קעה)
Learn the Gemara from “א”ר אבא אמר שמואל ” (four lines before the wide lines) until “ת”ר שתי שנים ומחצה ” (four lines before the Mishna)
Questions:
The גמרא בבא מציעא דף נט עמוד ב says we don’t listen to a בת קול as Torah is not in the heaven. How could the Bas Kol rule the Halacha is like Beis Hillel?
Learn תוס’ דף ו: “כאן
The Gemara lists two qualities of Beis Hillel as the reason why the Halacha is in accordance to Beis Hillel.
How does the quality of נוחים ועלובין help to determine the Halacha like Beis Hillel?
Learn שיחות מוסר מאמר לו (page קנא) & מאמר מז (page קצט)
How does the fact that Beis Hillel quoted the opinion of Beis Shamai and presented Beis Shamai opinion first help to determine the Halacha like Beis Hillel?
Learn שיחות מוסר מאמר י (page מא) & מאמר עו (page שלד)
Continue learning the Gemara from “ת”ר שתי שנים ומחצה ” (four lines before the Mishna) until the Mishna
Questions:
What is the difference between יפשפש במעשיו and ימשמש במעשיו?
See Rashi
Why is it more נוח for man not to be created?
If it was better for man not to have been created why did ,Hashem create man?
The Tanaaim did not spend time debating philosophical ideas unless it had some application to Torah and Avodas Hashem. What practical difference does this debate and conclusion of mans creation have in our lives?
What is the Gemara telling us that now man is created יפשפש במעשיו and ימשמש במעשיו? Is this some form of consolation?
Review the Gemara “תניא רבי יהודה ” (fourth wide line) until דף יג: “א”ר אחר בר חנינא (fifth line from top of Amud)
Questions:
Does ר’ ישמעאל prohibit the addition of קנקנתום into דיו for the writing of all כתבי קודש or just for Megilas Sotah?
Learn תוס’ חוץ
Learn תוס’ דף יג: “עשייה
Continue learning the Gemara דף יג: “א”ר אחר בר חנינא (fifth line from top of Amud) until “א”ר אבא אמר שמואל ” (four lines before the wide lines)
Questions:
How did Rebbe Meir enlighten the eyes of the chachamim in halacha when the Gemara says the chachamim did not rule like Rebbe Meir as they could not comprehend his teachings?
Learn מהרש”א
What is the greatness of finding reasonings which are not correct for example being מטהר את הטמא?
How does seeing the back of head of Rebbe Meir sharpen ones learning skills?
How would seeing his face sharpen ones learning skills even more?
Learn מהרש”א
And בן יהוידע
Continue learning the Gemara from “א”ר אבא אמר שמואל ” (four lines before the wide lines) until “ת”ר שתי שנים ומחצה ” (four lines before the Mishna)
Questions:
The גמרא בבא מציעא דף נט עמוד ב says we don’t listen to a בת קול as Torah is not in the heaven. How could the Bas Kol rule the Halacha is like Beis Hillel?
Learn תוס’ דף ו: “כאן
The Gemara lists two qualities of Beis Hillel as the reason why the Halacha is in accordance to Beis Hillel. How does these two qualities determine the Halacha like Beis Hillel?
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Learn the “גמרא דף מד: “אמר אייבו until next “אמר אייבו
Questions:
What needs to be done with the aravos in order to fulfill the mitzvah of Hoshanas?
See רש”י דף מג: “והביאום (three lines from bottom of the Amud)
And רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ז הלכה כב
In conclusion of the Gemara is the taking of Aravos on Hoshana Rabbah זכר למקדש or מנהג נביאים?
What do we conclude lhalacha in regards to making a bracha on taking the Aravos?
Learn טור אורח חיים ס’ תרס”ד סעיף ב for a few different opinions
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And שולחן ערוך סע’ ב, ד-וwith the משנה ברורה for final conclusion
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Major Question:
The גמרא דף מג concluded that Aravah was בנטילה – everyone waved the Aravos each day of Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash and the זכר למקדש replicates the way it was performed in the Beis Hamikdash & on דף מד the aravos were taken when encircling the Mizbaich.
Why is our minhag to walk around the bima each day of Sukkos one time only with the set of Daled Minim and on Hoshana Rabbah seven times. We should be holding aravos when circling the bima as they did in the Beis Hamikdash when circling the Mizbaich?
But this seems incongruent with how the Beis Hamikdash as on the practice Especially since we conclude that Hoshanos we’re instituted זכר למקדש for the נטילה which was walking around the mizbaich?
See בית יוסף & ב”ח סעיף ג
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Review the Gemara דף יג. “א”ר יהושע בן לוי (eleven lines from top of the Amud) until “תניא רבי יהודה ” (fourth wide line)
Questions:
How does adding or omitting one letter destroy the world ?
Learn תוס’ “או מייתר
See רש”י גמרא סוטה דף כ. “שמא אתה
Learn מהרש”א (on גמרא עירובן)
How does changing the letter ‘daled’ to the letter ‘reish’ destroy the world?
See רש”י גמרא סוטה דף כ.”ומשוי ליה רי”ש
Continue learning the Gemara until דף יג: “א”ר אחר בר חנינא (fifth line from top of Amud)
Questions:
Does ר’ ישמעאל prohibit the addition of קנקנתום into דיו for the writing of all כתבי קודש or just for Megilas Sotah?
Learn תוס’ חוץ
Learn תוס’ דף יג: “עשייה
Continue learning the Gemara דף יג: “א”ר אחר בר חנינא (fifth line from top of Amud) until “א”ר אבא אמר שמואל ” (four lines before the wide lines)
Questions:
How did Rebbe Meir enlighten the eyes of the chachamim in halacha when the Gemara days the chachamim did not rule like Rebbe Meir as they could not comprehend his teachings?
Learn מהרש”א
What is the greatness of finding reasonings which are not correct for example being metaher a sheretz?
Learn תוס’ “שיודע
How does seeing the back of face of Rebbe Meir sharpen ones learning skills?
Learn מהרש”א
And בן יהוידע
Learn גמרא דף יב: “משום (last line of the Amud) until דף יג. “א”ר יהושע בן לוי
Continue learning the Gemara until “תניא רבי יהודה ” (fourth wide line)
Sugya: תיקוני חצר
Quickly review the the “גמרא דף יב: ” אמר רב יהודה אמר רב מבוי (2/3 down the Amud) until the bottom of the Amud
Questions:
Why does a Mavui need to have בתים וחצירות opening into it?
Does a Chatzer which depth is longer than its width need to have בתים וחצירות opening into it?
Learn תוס’ “ובתים focus on the answer of Tosfos (last line)
Learn רבינו יהונתן
Learn שו”ת רשב”א חלק ה ס’ רג
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Is the reason the Rashba presents different from Tosfos?
In conclusion:
What Tikun is required for a Chatzer?
Learn שו”ע ס’ שס”ג סע’ ב
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Practically what Tikun do we use for a Mavui? Why?
Learn שו”ע ס’ שס”ג סעיף כו starting from “אין מבוי ניתר”
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Learn גמרא דף יב: “משום (last line of the Amud) until דף יג. “א”ר יהושע בן לוי
Continue learning the Gemara until “תניא רבי יהודה ” (fourth wide line)
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