R’ Nechemia Walfish: Morning Kollel – גמרא שבת – פרק אחד ועשרים – נוטל סוגיא דמוקצה, דף קמב. – כלכלה והאבן בתוכה
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Quickly review the גמרא דף מג. “ר’ יצחק אמר until תא שמע (third wide line)
Questions:
Does רבה & רב יוסף agree with each other?
What about ר’ יצחק & רב יוסף?
Learn תוס’ “ושני
Whom do we conclude lhalacha?
Does the Halacha of ר’ יצחק apply to food?
Learn ח’ רא”ה ביצה דף לו. “”והא דאמר” – מותר ליטול אוכל לדבר שאינו ניטל who says it does not apply to food
Learn רשב”א ביצה דף לו. “הא who argues on the רא”ה that it does apply.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=32312&st=&pgnum=67
What is the reason of ר’ יצחק why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל?
If it is an extension of the prohibition of Muktza why should it not apply to food?
Learn אור זרוע ה’ ערב שבת אות ל”ז who gives a reason.
Learn the גמרא דף מה. “א”ל אין מוקצה לר”ש אלא שמן שבנר until “אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל אין מוקצה לר”ש אלא גרוגרות וצימוקים
Which oil from a lantern is Muktzah according to ר”ש ?
Learn תוס’ “אלא
See צל”ח דף מד. על רש'”י “חוץ מן הנר
https://www.sefaria.org/Tziyyun_LeNefesh_Chayyah_on_Shabbat.44a.4?lang=en
What’s the Gemara conclusion as to why ר”ש agrees that the oil from lantern is Muktzah?
See Rashi
Learn ח’ ריטב”א
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&st=&pgnum=207
When and where does a תנאי – condition help to make an item not Muktzah?
Learn תוס’ “ואם that a condition only works by סוכה רעועה
And see תוס’ דף מד. “שבנר
Learn ר”ן דף מד. “והא דמסקינן and ח’ ר”ן דף מה who brings the opinion of the רמב”ן that a תנאי – condition always works.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=591
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40873&st=&pgnum=57
See בית יוסף ס’ רע”ט who brings the opinion of the ריב”ש that a condition does not work.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14265&st=&pgnum=469
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Learn the גמרא דף מה. “בעי מיניה until “ולית ליה
Learn תוס’ “היכא
Learn תוס’ “אלא
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Continue learning the גמרא דף מג. “ר’ יצחק אמר until תא שמע (third wide line)
Questions:
Does רבה & רב יוסף agree with each other?
What about ר’ יצחק & רב יוסף?
Whom do we conclude lhalacha?
Does the Halacha of ר’ יצחק apply to food?
Learn ח’ רא”ה ביצה דף לו. “”והא דאמר” – מותר ליטול אוכל לדבר שאינו ניטל who says it does not apply to food
Learn רשב”א ביצה דף לו. “הא who argues on the רא”ה that it does apply.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=32312&st=&pgnum=67
What is the reason of ר’ יצחק why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל?
If it is an extension of the prohibition of Muktza why should it not apply to food?
See אור זרוע ה’ ערב שבת אות ל”ז who gives a reason.
Does רבה & רב יוסף agree with each other?
What about ר’ יצחק & רב יוסף?
Learn תוס’ “ושני
Very quickly review the גמרא דף מה. “והא בעו מיניה (seven lines from the top of the Amud) until בעי מיניה
Rav says for a שעת הדחק one can rely on Rebbe Shimon opinion that we don’t say מיגו דאתקצאי
What is the level of שעת הדחק that would qualify to permit this?
Rashi says – סכנה
What type of danger?
The ריטב”א דף מה. “כדאי – a monetary danger or physical injury.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&st=&pgnum=206
The ח’ רע”א says it has to have some remote chance of fatality.
Learn the מגן אברהם ס’ רע”ט ס”ק א who brings two different opinions in regards to the level of danger.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=66
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=67
See פרי מגדים אשל אברהם ס”ק א
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&st=&pgnum=175
And משנה ברורה ס”ק א
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=123
Learn רב ניסן גאון on the side of the Gemara for an entirely new explanation of the case of שעת הדחק
Major Question:
Even if we rely on Rebbe Shimon that only tells us that we don’t say מיגו דאתקצאי and the menorah does not remain in state of Muktza as if it was lit.
But it should still be prohibited to move the menorah as it is at least a כלי שמלאכתו לאיסור?
Continue learning the גמרא דף מה. “בעי מיניה until “ולית ליה
Learn תוס’ “היכא
Learn תוס’ “אלא
Quickly review the גמרא דף מה. “הכי נמי מסתברא (top of the Amud) until בעי מיניה
Learn תוס’ הכי נמי
Questions:
If it’s a real danger to keep the menorah outside why do we need to rely on Rebbe Shimon opinion? It should be permitted even according to Rebbe Yehuda?
Learn ריטב”א דף מה. “כדאי
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&st=&pgnum=206
Learn ח’ רע”א
Learn תוס’ “מקמי
Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ רע”ט סע’ א
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=66
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=67
And the מגן אברהם ס”ק א
See פרי מגדים אשל אברהם ס”ק א
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&st=&pgnum=175
And משנה ברורה ס”ק א
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=123
Major Question:
Even if we rely on Rebbe Shimon that only tells us that we don’t say מיגו דאתקצאי and the menorah does not remain in state of Muktza as if it was lit.
But it should still be prohibited to move the menorah as it is at least a כלי שמלאכתו לאיסור?
Conclusion of Sugya – ביטל כלי מהיכנו
How do we conclude lhalacha in regards to ביטל כלי מהיכנו?
How do we conclude in regards to ביטל כלי לשעה?
Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ רס”ה סע’ ג-ד with the משנה ברורה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=84
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=85
See ביאור הלכה “מפני
Major Question:
How is one permitted to wash מים אחרונים over a bowl – as the water that washed his hands with may not be used for anything? Why is this not considered מבטל כלי מהיכנו?
Learn שולחן ערוך של”ח סע’ ח
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=375
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=376
Learn ביאור הלכה ס’ של”ח סע’ ח “אסור
Would one be permitted to place a bowl to catch a wax candle that is falling?
Learn מ”א ס’ רס”ה ס”ק ב
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=44
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=45
What is the Magen Avraham new understanding for the opinions of the Rishonim that ביטל כלי לשעה is permitted?
According to the Magen Avraham, what is the explanation as to why it is permitted to place a utensil underneath a lantern to catch a falling spark?
Learn תוס’ “בעודן (both of them)
Continue learning the גמרא דף מג. “ר’ יצחק אמר until תא שמע (third wide line)
Question:
Does רבה & רב יוסף agree with each other?
What about ר’ יצחק & רב יוסף?
Whom do we conclude lhalacha?
Questions:
Does the Halacha of ר’ יצחק apply to food?
Learn ח’ רא”ה ביצה דף לו. “”והא דאמר” – מותר ליטול אוכל לדבר שאינו ניטל who says it does not apply to food
Learn רשב”א ביצה דף לו. “הא who argues on the רא”ה that it does apply.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=32312&st=&pgnum=67
What is the reason of ר’ יצחק why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל?
If it is an extension of the prohibition of Muktza why should it not apply to food?
See אור זרוע ה’ ערב שבת אות ל”ז who gives a reason.
Does רבה & רב יוסף agree with each other?
What about ר’ יצחק & רב יוסף?
Learn תוס’ “ושני
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Learn the גמרא דף מה. “הכי נמי מסתברא (top of the Amud) until בעי מיניה
Learn תוס’ הכי נמי
Questions:
If it’s a real danger to keep the menorah outside why do we need to rely on Rebbe Shimon opinion? It should be permitted even according to Rebbe Yehuda?
Learn תוס’ “מקמי
Major Question:
Even if we rely on Rebbe Shimon that only tells us that we don’t say מיגו דאתקצאי – the menorah does not remain in state of Muktza as if it was lit.
But it should still be prohibited to move the menorah as it is at least a כלי שמלאכתו לאיסור?
Quickly review the רמ”א ס’ ש”י סע’ ז with the משנה ברורה ס”ק כט-לא
And שער הציון אות כח
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=232
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=233
See פרי מגדים אשל אברהם ס”ק ז
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&st=&pgnum=195
Write the answers to the following scenarios
Learn the גמרא דף מה. “הכי נמי מסתברא (top of the Amud) until בעי מיניה
Learn תוס’ הכי נמי
Learn תוס’ “מקמי
We discussed the machlokes between the בעל המאור and the רשב”א if ביטל כלי לשעה is permitted.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=682
What is the reason of the Rishonim that ביטל כלי לשעה would be permitted?
Learn ה’ אשרי על רא”ש ס’ יח
What extra chidushim do we learn from the ה’ אשרי?
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=356
How do we conclude lhalacha in regards to ביטל כלי מהיכנו?
How do we conclude in regards to ביטל כלי לשעה?
Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ רס”ה סע’ ג-ד with the משנה ברורה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=84
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=85
See ביאור הלכה “מפני
Major Question:
How is one permitted to wash מים אחרונים over a bowl – as the water that washed his hands with may not be used for anything? Why is this not considered מבטל כלי מהיכנו?
Learn שולחן ערוך של”ח סע’ ח
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=375
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=376
Learn ביאור הלכה ס’ של”ח סע’ ח “אסור
Would one be permitted to place a bowl to catch a wax candle that is falling?
Learn מ”א ס’ רס”ה ס”ק ב
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=44
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=45
The Magen Avraham quotes the Rambam who states in the case money was left on the wheel of a wagon and the wheel is permanently affixed to the wagon although the wagon does not become a Bosis to the money one must shake off the money if it’s possible before moving the wagon.
Quickly review תוס’ דף מד: “הא
Learn ה’ רע”א ס’ ש”י סע’ ז “אין צריך לנער who brings a proof from Tosfos that he argues on the Rambam and does not require the money to be shaken off.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=130
Question on Rebbe Akiva Eiger:
Why is this different than any case of one who forgot Muktza on top of an item although the item does not become a Bosis if possible one must shake off the Muktza before the item as stated in the משנה דף קמב עמ’ ב?
See חזון איש או”ח ס’ מז ס”ק ה
Bottom Line Halacha:
Questions:
Review the רמ”א ס’ ש”י סע’ ז and learn משנה ברורה ס”ק כט-לא
Learn פרי מגדים אשל אברהם ס”ק ז
And שער הציון אות כח
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