Category: Sukkah

Topic: Sitting inside the Sukkah on Shemini Atzeres in chutz laaretz (based on גמרא דף מז. “הלכתא ) 

Halachic Conclusion: 

The conclusion of the Gemara is that one must sit inside the Sukkah on Shemini Atzeres in chutz laaretz but does not recite the bracha of Leshev Basukkah.

Learn שו”ע או”ח ס’ תרס”ח סע’ א 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=275

What is the halacha in regards to sleeping in the sukkah on Shemini Atzeres in chutz laaretz

Learn the מרדכי פרק רביעי ס’ תשעב an  דרכי משה ס’ תרס”ח ס”ק ב & ג – who says it is prohibited to.

And בית יוסף ס’ תרס”ח סע’ א and Vilna Gaon- One is required

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=597

How does the Mordechai explain the ruling of יתובי יתבינן ברוכי לא מברכינן?

How is this different than Tosfos explanation?

What is the halacha in regards to eating fruit and drinks inside the Sukkah on the eighth day of Sukkos in chutz laaretz?

See משנה ברורה ס”ק ו who brings the Machatzis Hashekel that one should not eat them inside the Sukkah and the שער הציון אות ד-ט who explains this is based on the opinion of the Mordechai 

But the Divrei Chaim rules that even according to the Mordechai it is permitted 

Major Question:

Why do some people not sit in the Sukkah the night of Shemini Atzeres?

Why do some people just make kiddush inside the Sukkah but eat their meal in their house?

See טור אורח חיים ס’ תרס”ח

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=597

See ערוך השולחן ס’ תרס”ח סע’ ג’- ו

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=64808&st=&pgnum=427

Learn שפת אמת דף מו: “מיתב כולי עלמא 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14522&st=&pgnum=208

For an entirely new reading and understanding of the Gemara and how the Gemara concluded there is no obligation to sit inside the Sukkah on Shemini Atzeres in chutz laaretz

Please write a summary of this Sugya and list the different explanations in the ruling יתובי יתבינן ברוכי לא מברכינן

Continue learning the Gemara until the Mishna דף מח

Quickly review the גמרא דף מז: “וסבר ר’ יהודה until “מאי הוי עלה (four lines from bottom of the Amud)

Learn תוספת מז. “לינה 

Questions:

How many nights is one obligated to stay in Yerushalayim during Sukkos? 

List the different requirements for לינה  

Continue learning the Gemara until the Mishna דף מח

Questions:

Why did ר’ יהודה only list four out of six items in which Shemini Atzeres is different from the rest of Sukkos?

Why doesn’t the braissa list the difference of לינה?

Learn “רש”י ראש השנה דף ד: “פז”ר קש”ב 

Note Rashi gives a different explanation in what רגל בפני עצמו means than he does in our Gemara. 

Learn “תוספת סוכה מח. “רגל who asks a question on Rashi and brings different opinions for the explanation of רגל בפני עצמו 

Learn ריטב”א who discusses many of the above questions.  

In Conclusion:

Is Shemini Atzeres an entirely new Yom Tov or is it an extension of Sukkos?

If in shemoneh esrei or birkas hamazon a person says “וביום חג הסוכות  instead of וביום שמיני עצרת does he have to repeat?  

What is the correct wording used in shemoneh esrei when mentioning Shemini Atzeres?

See רש”י דף מז: “ברכת המזון

Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ תרס”ח, א (until “ובחוץ לארץ”)

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=408

See מגן אברהם ס”ק א and learn segments of the ט”ז ס”ק א 

Learn משנה ברורה ס”ק ב & ג

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=274

Learn גמרא דף מו: “וא”ר זירא until ובפלוגתא”

Question:

Why doesn’t ר’ זירא say it is forbidden to lie as the Torah instructs מדבר שקר תרחק?

Learn גמרא דף מו: “ובפלוגתא until דף מז. “ואמר ר’ יוחנן (middle of the Amud) 

Questions:

Are Daled Minim Muktzah on the eighth day of Sukkos? In Eretz Yisrael? In chutz laaretz? 

What about the ninth day of Sukkos in chutz laaretz?

Does one shake the Daled Minim on the eighth day? 

Why should the Daled Minim be muktzah on the eighth day of they are not used? 

Learn תוספת “שמיני

And  תוספת מז top of the Amud  

Is the wood and decorations of the Sukkah Muktzah on the eighth day of Sukkos? In Eretz Yisrael? In chutz laaretz? What about the ninth day of Sukkos in chutz laaretz?

Clarify the difference between the two לשונות of the Gemara as to what is the machlokes between רב and ר’ יוחנן 

Question on Sugya of Muktzah of Daled Minim:

The Gemara דף לו עמוד ב records that ר’ יוחנן would take a couple of bites from his Esrog during Sukkos.

How was this permitted as the Esrog is Muktzah for Sukkos according to all opinions until he is finished using it in the seventh day?

Conclusion Sugya: Gifting Daled Minim to a Katan 

Halachic Conclusion:

Review שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ תרנ”ח סע’ ו 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=265

Questions:

Does a father fulfill his Mitzvah of Chinuch if he lends the Daled Minim to his son?

See מגן אברהם ס”ק ח, משנה ברורה ס”ק כח  https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=403

and שער הציון אות לו

In practice should one purchase Daled Minim for his children? 

See הליכות שלמה הלכות סוכה פרק יא הלכה יא,, אגרות משה יורה דעה חלק א ס’ קלז, קובץ הלכות הלכות סוכה פרק לט סע’ י

What is the best method to lend the Daled Minim to a minor? 

See ערוך השולחן אורח חיים ס’ תרנ”ח סע’ יז

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=64808&st=&pgnum=420

Can one gift the Daled Minim to a child as a מתנה על מנת להחזיר.

See ביאור הלכה “אינו מוחזר 

Could one gift the Daled Minim to a minor after he shook them on the first day? 

See ביאור הלכה “קודם שיצא 

Sugya: Gifting Daled Minim to a Katan 

Halachic Conclusion:

Review שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ תרנ”ח סע’ ו 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=265

Questions:

What is the point of argument between the two opinions brought in the Shulchan Aruch? 

See ביאור הלכה “לא יתננו

According to the Rambam / first opinion in the Shulchan Aruch the regifting of the Daled Minim from the child to the adult is only valid מדרבנן.

Why doesn’t a קנין דרבנן work even מדאורייתא as the rabanan through the power of הפקר ב”ד הפקר has the ability to transfer possession of assets?

(See פרי מגדים אשל אברהם אות ח.  https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&st=&pgnum=349

This is a major discussion in the gedolei achronim see אבני מלואים ס’ כ”ח ס”ק לג, מחנה אפרים הלכות משיכה ס’ ב, דבר  אברהם ס’ א אות יז ) 

Is this an issue even on the Yom Tov Sheini (in chutz laaretz) of Sukkos?

See משנה ברורה ס”ק כג

Does a father fulfill his Mitzvah of Chinuch if he lends the Daled Minim to his son?

See מגן אברהם ס”ק ח, משנה ברורה ס”ק כח  https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=403

and שער הציון אות לו

In practice should one purchase Daled Minim for his children? 

See הליכות שלמה הלכות סוכה פרק יא הלכה יא,, אגרות משה יורה דעה חלק א ס’ קלז, קובץ הלכות הלכות סוכה פרק לט סע’ י

What is the best method to lend the Daled Minim to a minor? 

See ערוך השולחן אורח חיים ס’ תרנ”ח סע’ יז

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=64808&st=&pgnum=420

Can one gift the Daled Minim to a child as a מתנה על מנת להחזיר.

See ביאור הלכה “אינו מוחזר 

Could one gift the Daled Minim to a minor after he shook them on the first day? 

See ביאור הלכה “קודם שיצא 

Sugya: Gifting Daled Minim to a Katan 

Very quickly review the גמרא דף מו: “א”ר זירא לא ליקני until ובפלוגתא”

Learn רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ח הלכה י

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=293

Question:

Why does the Rambam not differentiate between what the age of the minor is? 

See כסף משנה and לחם משנה who argue on the opinion of the Rambam 

Halachik Conclusion:

Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ תרנ”ח סע’ ו 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=265

Questions:

What is the point of argument between the two opinions brought in the Shulchan Aruch? 

See ביאור הלכה “לא יתננו

According to the Rambam / first opinion in the Shulchan Aruch the regifting of the Daled Minim from the child to the adult is only valid מדרבנן.

Why doesn’t a קנין דרבנן work even מדאורייתא as the rabanan through the power of הפקר ב”ד הפקר has the ability to transfer possession of assets?

(See פרי מגדים אשל אברהם אות ח.  https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&st=&pgnum=349

This is a major discussion in the gedolei achronim see אבני מלואים ס’ כ”ח ס”ק לג, מחנה אפרים הלכות משיכה ס’ ב, דבר  אברהם ס’ א אות יז ) 

Is this an issue even on the Yom Tov Sheini (in chutz laaretz) of Sukkos?

See משנה ברורה ס”ק כג

Does a father fulfill his Mitzvah of Chinuch if he lends the Daled Minim to his son?

See מגן אברהם ס”ק ח, משנה ברורה ס”ק כח  https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=403

and שער הציון אות לו

In practice should one purchase Daled Minim for his children? 

See הליכות שלמה הלכות סוכה פרק יא הלכה יא,, אגרות משה יורה דעה חלק א ס’ קלז, קובץ הלכות הלכות סוכה פרק לט סע’ י

What is the best method to lend the Daled Minim to a minor? See ערוך השולחן אורח חיים ס’ תרנ”ח סע’ יז

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=64808&st=&pgnum=420

Sugya: Gifting Daled Minim to a Katan 

Learn the גמרא דף מו: “א”ר זירא לא ליקני until ובפלוגתא”

Learn ר’ן דף מו: א”ר זירא starting from “ואם תאמר who discusses whether it’s possible to gift the Daled Minim to a child as a מתנה על מנת להחזיר.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=627

Learn ריטב”א דף מו: “מיהו ודאי ליתא who also discusses different ages of a child and the ability to gift him the Daled Minim.

Learn the first paragraph of the ריטב”א דף מו: “מאי טעמא who brings two opinions whether one can gift the Daled Minim to a child as a מתנה על מנת להחזיר.

https://www.sefaria.org/Ritva_on_Sukkah.46b.5?vhe=Chiddushei_HaRashba,_Sheva_Shitot,_Warsaw,_1883.&lang=bi

Learn רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ח הלכה י

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=293

Question:

Why does the Rambam not differentiate between what the age of the minor is? 

See כסף משנה and לחם משנה who argue on the opinion of the Rambam 

Halachik Conclusion:

Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ תרנ”ח סע’ ו 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=265

Questions:

What is the point of argument between the two opinions brought in the Shulchan Aruch? 

See ביאור הלכה “לא יתננו

According to the Rambam / first opinion in the Shulchan Aruch the regifting of the Daled Minim from the child to the adult is only valid מדרבנן.

Why doesn’t a קנין דרבנן work even מדאורייתא as the rabanan through the power of הפקר ב”ד הפקר has the ability to transfer possession of assets?

(See פרי מגדים אשל אברהם אות ח.  This is a major discussion in the gedolei achronim see אבני מלואים ס’ כ”ח ס”ק לג, מחנה אפרים הלכות משיכה ס’ ב, דבר  אברהם ס’ א אות יז ) 

Topic: Bracha on the lighting of the additional candles that are added each night of Chanukah 

Questions: 

On the 7th night of Chanukah person mistakenly thought it was the 6th night and lit only six candles. Afterwards he realized it is the 7th night. When he lights an additional candle does he make a bracha?

See בית יוסף ס’ תרע”ב בשם אורחת חיים

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=602

See פרי חדש סוף ס’ תרע”ב “נשאלתי  

From the Pri Chodosh it seems clear one does not recite a bracha on hidur mitzvah

See מגן אברהם ס’ תרנ”א ס”ק כ”ה who quotes the Rambam that if one did not have in mind to light additional candles then one must make a bracha upon lighting the additional candle.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=399

How could one recite bracha on hidur mitzvah? 

If he only realized after the six candles went out should he make a bracha on lighting the seventh candle? 

See שו”ת רע”א תניינא ס’ י”ג

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1162&st=&pgnum=10

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1162&st=&pgnum=11

Why does the שולחן ארוך או”ח ס’ תרע”א סע’ ב bring the halacha of amount of candles to light each night only in accordance with the Mehadrin min Hamehadrin and not list the base halacha that only one candle is required to be lit in each home for each night of Chanukah?  

Is the obligation of Mehadrin min Hamehadrin based on Hidur mitzvah or a different concept?

See רש”י שבת דף כא: “והמהדרין  (two dots) and תוס’ “והמהדרין 

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=2&daf=21b&format=pdf

Clarify the difference between Rashi & Tosfos 

See רמב”ם ה’ חנוכה פרק ד הלכה א-ב

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=374

What is the reason for the Mehadrin min Hamehadrin according to the Rambam?

How could one be obligated to light according to the Mehadrin min Hamehadrin and one has to spend  over 400% more to purchase 36 candles than the base obligation of eight candles?

Why isn’t adding candles considered a violation of baal tosif? If one would add extra mezuzahs on his door post for the amount of people in the house that would definitely be a violation of baal tosif.

We find the concept of Hidur in regards to enhancing a mitzvah. Ie. Purchasing a nicer Sukkah , talis,  … Where do we find the concept of Hidur that requires one to add additional mitzvahs? 

Learn גמרא שבת דף כא: “ת”ר מצות חנוכה (two dots) until “אמר רבה”

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=2&daf=21b&format=pdf

Learn תוס’ “והמהדרין

Learn רמב”ם ה’ חנוכה פרק ד הלכה א-ב

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=374

Clarify the difference between Tosfos and Rambam

Questions:

What is the reason to light extra candles – Mehadrin and Mehadrin min Hamehadrin?

If someone forgot to add an extra candle for that night of chanukah and only realised later that evening 

Should he light an additional candle?

Should he make a bracha when lighting that candle?

Should he light it even if the other candles have already gone out?

See מגן אברהם ס’ תרנ”א ס”ק כ”ה

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=399

See פרי חדש ס’ תרע”ב 

See בית יוסף ס’  תרע”ב  בשם אורחת חיים

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=602

See שו”ת רע”א תניינא ס’ י”ג

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1162&st=&pgnum=10

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1162&st=&pgnum=11

https://www.sefaria.org/Ritva_on_Sukkah.46b.1?vhe=Chiddushei_HaRashba,_Sheva_Shitot,_Warsaw,_1883.&lang=bi

Very quickly review גמרא דף מו: “מיד תינוקות (two dots, six lines from top of the Amud) until “א”ר זירא” 

We discussed how the Ran answered the following questions 

Questions:

1. Why are Daled Minim לא חזי בין השמשות?

Ran – one would not shake the Daled Minim during Bein Hashmashos between the seventh and eighth day of Sukkos as starting from day two they are a Mitzvah Drabanan and the rule is ספק דרבנן לקולא

2. Why according to ר’ יוחנן are Daled Minim  Muktzah the entire seventh day?

Ran – The mind frame of a person is to designate them for the entire seventh day as the mitzvah can be performed any time of the day. 

3. Does the Muktzah status of the Daled Minim of the seventh day extend into Bein Hashmashos? Why or why not? 

Ran – no as one would not take the Daled Minim during Bein Hashmashos as explained above. 

(See ריטב”א דף מו: א”ר יוחנן (first explanation) for a more elaborate explanation of the gemara according to the reasoning of the Ran.  https://www.sefaria.org/Ritva_on_Sukkah.46b.1?vhe=Chiddushei_HaRashba,_Sheva_Shitot,_Warsaw,_1883.&lang=bi

Learn תוספת דף י: “עד until “ומהאי טעמא” and skip to “וכל הני לא דמי until “ומאן דאסר who gives an entirely different approach to the Gemara different than the Ran.

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&daf=10b&format=pdf

How does Tosfos answer the three questions above?

On what points does the Ran argue with Tosfos? 

What is a נפקא מינה between Tosfos and the Ran? 

Continue learning the Gemara from “ולוי” until “א”ר זירא לא ליקני “

Question:

Why does לוי hold that the Daled Minim are Muktzah the entire eighth day as well? 

See רש”י דף מו: “אתרוג אפילו בשמיני

Learn תוספת דף י: “עד starting from “ומאן דאסר (twelve lines before the wide lines of Tosfos) until ומיהו (last word before the wide lines)

Learn ריטב”א דף מו: “לוי who gives three possible explanations 

https://www.sefaria.org/Ritva_on_Sukkah.46b.1?vhe=Chiddushei_HaRashba,_Sheva_Shitot,_Warsaw,_1883.&lang=bi

Very quickly review גמרא דף מו: “מיד תינוקות (two dots, six lines from top of the Amud) until “א”ר זירא” 

Questions:

1. Why are Daled Minim לא חזי בין השמשות?

2. Why according to ר’ יוחנן are Daled Minim  Muktzah the entire seventh day?

3. Does the Muktzah status of the Daled Minim of the seventh day extend into Bein Hashmashos? Why or why not? 

Learn ר”ן דף מו: “אמר ר’ יוחנן who addresses all of the above questions. 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=627

See ריטב”א דף מו: א”ר יוחנן (first explanation) for a more elaborate explanation of the gemara according to the reasoning of the Ran.  

https://www.sefaria.org/Ritva_on_Sukkah.46b.1?vhe=Chiddushei_HaRashba,_Sheva_Shitot,_Warsaw,_1883.&lang=bi

On what point does רש”י דף מו: “אתרוג לא חזי differ with the Ran?

How does that impact the way Rashi will answer the other questions?

See גמרא דף י. “סיככה כהלכתה (three lines from bottom of the Amud) until top of דף י: דלמא מן הצד 

Learn תוספת דף י: “עד until “ומהאי טעמא” and skip to “וכל הני לא דמי until “ומאן דאסר who gives an entirely different approach to the Gemara different than the Ran.

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&daf=10b&format=pdf

How does Tosfos answer the three questions above?

On what points does the Ran argue with Tosfos? 

What is a נפקא מינה between Tosfos and the Ran? 

Question:

Why does לוי hold that the Daled Minim are Muktzah the entire eighth day as well? 

Learn תוספת דף י:עד starting from “ומאן דאסר (twelve lines before the wide lines of Tosfos) until ומיהו (last word before the wide lines)

Learn ריטב”א דף מו: “לוי who gives three possible explanations 

See ריטב”א דף מו: א”ר יוחנן for a lengthy explanation of the Gemara. 

Learn גמרא דף מו: “מיד תינוקות (two dots, six lines from top of the Amud) until “א”ר זירא” 

Questions: 

Everyone agrees that a Sukkah is Muktzah even on the eighth day (Shemini Atzeres). 

The Gemara explains the reason is that the Sukkah is needed during the period of Bein Hashmashos between the seventh and eighth day. 

Why does that give the Sukkah the status of Muktzah for the entire eighth day?

The Gemara says that Daled Minim are not needed during the period of Bein Hashmashos between the seventh and eighth day. 

Why not? 

Would the same be true if someone did not yet fulfill his Mitzvah with the Daled Minim on the seventh day? 

See גמרא דף י. “סיככה כהלכתה (three lines from bottom of the Amud) until top of דף י: דלמא מן הצד 

Learn תוספת דף י: “עד until “ומהאי טעמא” who gives an answer to the above questions

Learn ר”ן דף מו: “אמר ר’ יוחנן who gives a different explanation.

On what points does the Ran argue with Tosfos? 

What is a נפקא מינה between Tosfos and the Ran? 

See ריטב”א דף מו: א”ר יוחנן for a lengthy explanation of the Gemara.