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Sugya: Timing for Mitzvah of Daled Minim
Review the משנה דף לח. & גמרא until the next Mishna Learn the משנה שבת דף ט עמוד ב
Learn the ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “מי שבא בדרך & “הלכך The Ran concludes by a Rabbinical mitzvah even if an individual started his activity באיסור (after the time of the Mitzvah began) still one does not need to interrupt as long as there will still remain time to perform he mitzvah after he completes his activity
Bring a proof whether Rashi agrees to the Ran.
Learn תוספת “מאי Bring a proof whether Tosfos agrees to the Ran.
In conclusion what is the halacha regarding a mitzvah דאורייתא is one obligated interrupt an activity he is engaged in to perform the mitzvah? Learn רמב״ם הלכות קריאת שמע פרק ב הלכה ו and the ראב”ד who asks multiple questions on the Rambam from our Gemara. Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ ע סעיף ה with the משנה ברורה and “ביאור הלכה “היה
Review the גמרא דף ה. “היה פחות מעשרה טפחים until “אמר אביי” Questions: Why does רב יוסף say when the קורה is higher than 20 Amos you only need a build up of ground of a tefach underneath, but if the קורה is below 10 tefachim one needs to excavate an amount of four tefachim inside the mavui? See “רש”י “רב יוסף According to Rashi is the קורה acting as a מחיצה?
Learn the גמרא דף ה. “היה פחות מעשרה טפחים until “אמר אביי” Questions: Why does רב יוסף say when the קורה is higher than 20 Amos only need a build up of ground of a tefach underneath, but if the קורה is to low one needs to excavate an amount of four tefachim inside the mavui? See רש”י “רב יוסף Is the case of the gemara that the קורה is to low or the walls of the מבוי are less than 10 tefachim? Bring a proof from Rashi
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New Sugya: Timing for Mitzvah of Daled Minim
Learn משנה דף לח. & גמרא until the next Mishna Learn the משנה שבת דף ט עמוד ב as an introduction to our Gemara.
Learn the ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “מי שבא בדרך & “הלכך The Ran concludes by a Rabbinical mitzvah even if an individual started his activity באיסור (after the time of the Mitzvah began) still one does not need to interrupt as long as there will still remain time to perform he mitzvah after he completes his activity
Bring a proof whether Rashi agrees to the Ran.
Learn תוספת “מאי Bring a proof whether Tosfos agrees to the Ran.
Conclusion Sugya – קורה גבוהה מכ’ אמה Very quickly review the גמרא דף ה. “ואבעית אימא (fifth line from top of Amud) until the two dots on דף ה
Clarify the third and fourth explanation of the Gemara
Learn רי”ף who explains the reduction of the height of the קורה different than Rashi Question: According to the רי”ף where is the height reduction taking place? (This is a matter of dispute) Learn רשב”א who asks multiple questions on the רי”ף? Learn רבינו יהונתן on the side of the רי”ף Learn רא”ש ס’ ד See קרבן נתנאל אות ז See רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק יז הלכה טז and מגיד משנה See עבודת הקודש לרשב”א שער ראשון ס’ ג אות ז
See פ’ חסדי דוד on side of the תוספתא עירובן א,א
Questions: If קורה משום מחיצה why is there a maximum limit of 20 Amos height? See רש”י דף ה. “ומאן דאמר ארבעה See רבינו יהונתן דף ב. “ור”י פליג How does an אמלתרא help to allow the קורה to be placed higher than 20 Amos?
Learn the גמרא דף ה. “היה פחות מעשרה טפחים until “אמר אביי” Question: Why is the amount of excavation different than the build up of ground needed when the קורה is higher than 20 Amos?
Sugya – קורה Review the גמרא דף ה. “ואבעית אימא (fifth line from top of Amud) until the two dots on דף ה
Clarify the third and fourth explanation of the Gemara
Learn רי”ף who explains the reduction of the height of the קורה different than Rashi Question: According to the רי”ף where is the height reduction taking place? (This is a matter of dispute) Learn רשב”א who asks multiple questions on the רי”ף? Learn רבינו יהונתן on the side of the רי”ף Learn רא”ש ס’ ד See קרבן נתנאל אות ז See רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק יז הלכה טז and מגיד משנה
Questions: How does the Rambam and רבינו שמחה explain the three gemara’s that Tosfos and the Ran brought as a proof that the Lulav is shaken during the initial taking?
What is the point of disagreement between the Rambam and Tosfos/ Ran/ Rosh/ Meiri ?
Based on the above Rambam the Brisker Rav would be careful to use the same Daled Minim that he shook when he made the bracha to hold and shake during Hallel.
See how the Shulchan Aruch Mentions when is the time of the main Mitzvah of Daled Minim – See שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”ב סעיף א “ועיקר מצותו בשעת ההלל
Think of a few more halachik differences between the Rambam and the other Rishonim See הליכות שלמה לולב פרק יט הלכה יט and the footnotes אות לג and 84 and מקראי קודש סוכה חלק ב סימן טז אות ב
Thank you Bruce Goldberg for sending in your summary of the Sugya.
Please write a summary of the Sugya of נענועים of the Daled Minim. Include the following points.
During which pesukim of Hallel are the Daled Minim shaken. (Mishna, Tosfos “בהודו” and Ran)
Must one shake the Daled Minim when he first recites the bracha on the lulav before Hallel. (the opinions and reasoning of תוספת “בהודו, Ran, Rosh, Meiri and Rambam)
How does the Rambam view differ? List three differences lhalacha based on the Rambam
Question: How many times must one shake the Lulav? What is considered נענועים – Moving the Lulav in various directions or actually shaking (rattling) the Lulav Learn ‘ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “גמרא https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=619
Sugya – קורה Very quickly review the גמרא דף ד: “היה גבוה מעשרים (two dots – six lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on דף ה Focus on the second – fourth explanation
Explanation #2 According to which reason does the requirement to have 4 tefachim line up with – קורה משום היכר or קורה משום מחיצה? Learn Rashi very carefully.
Questions: Why does Rashi assume that the outer face of the קורה descends according to the opinion of קורה משום מחיצה? Why is a build up of a tefach underneath the קורה insufficient? Once the height is reduced between the קורה and the ground the Mechitzah should descend and service the entire mavui?
Learn second half of תוס’ דף ד:-ה “מותר starting from “ואין להקשות” Tosfos asks a major question: According to the second explanation everyone agrees it is מותר להשתמש תחת הקורה and a build up of four tefachim is required because קורה משום מחיצה. This contradicts the premise of the first explanation of the Gemara (according to Tosfos) that everyone agrees קורה משום מחיצה and if its מותר להשתמש תחת הקורה only a one tefach build up is required? Learn תוספות רבינו פרץ who explains Tosfos answer. See גאון יעקב ד: “לימא בהאי קמיפלגי who explains the point of argument between the first and second explanation according to Tosfos. See the end of the paragraph and how he gives a different explanation of the position of Rashi in the first explanation of the Gemara and how he addresses the following questions we asked yesterday According to the first explanation does Abaye and Rav Yosef hold קורה משום היכר or קורה משום מחיצה? Rashi (רש”י דף ד: “מותר) discusses the need to see the קורה so why does Rashi need to add that we view the edge of the קורה as descending and creating a closure. It seems that Rashi is requiring both the element of היכר and מחיצה?
Clarify the third and fourth explanation of the Gemara
Learn רי”ף who explains the reduction of the height of the קורה different than Rashi Learn רבינו יהונתן on the side of the רי”ף
Sugya – קורה Review the גמרא דף ד: “היה גבוה מעשרים (two dots – six lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on דף ה Clarify the four different explanations between the Machlokes of Abaye and Rav Yosef and how they align with the the area of dispute.
Explanation #1 Learn גמרא דף ח: “איבעיא להו מהו להשתמש תחת הקורה (eleven lines before the wide lines) until אמר רב חסדא (second wide line)
Questions: According to the first explanation does Abaye and Rav Yosef hold קורה משום היכר or קורה משום מחיצה? Rashi (רש”י דף ד: “מותר) discusses the need to see the קורה so why does Rashi need to add that we view the edge of the קורה as descending and creating a closure. It seems that Rashi is requiring both the element of היכר and מחיצה?
Learn תוס’ “מותר Bring a proof from Tosfos how he understands Rashi whether קורה משום היכר or קורה משום מחיצה Learn מהרש”א who asks a question on our Gemara and gives an answer to the question we asked on Rashi https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&st=&pgnum=263
Explanation #2 According to which reason does the requirement to have 4 tefachim line up with – קורה משום היכר or קורה משום מחיצה? Learn Rashi very carefully.
Questions: Why does Rashi assume that the outer face of the קורה descends according to the opinion of קורה משום מחיצה? Why is a build up of a tefach underneath the קורה insufficient? Once the height is reduced between the קורה and the ground the Mechitzah should descend and service the entire mavui? Why according to the second explanation in which everyone agrees its מותר להשתמש תחת הקורה yet if קורה משום מחיצה a build up of four tefachim is required when in the first explanation Tosfos understands everyone holds קורה משום מחיצה and if its מותר להשתמש תחת הקורה only need one tefach build up is required? Learn תוספות רבינו פרץ
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Quickly review גמרא דף לז עמוד ב from after the Mishna until the Mishna דף לח
We discussed last week whether one is required to shake the Lulav when he first recites the bracha on the lulav before Hallel? The (תוספת (בהודו and (‘ר”ן (דף יח: דפי הריף and (רא”ש (פרק שלישי ס’ כו all said one must shake the Lulav when initially taking it and reciting the bracha. The Meiri said it’s a kal vchomer that one must shake during the initial taking.
Questions: How does the Rambam and רבינו שמחה explain the three gemara’s that Tosfos and the Ran brought as a proof that the Lulav is shaken during the initial taking?
What is the point of disagreement between the Rambam and Tosfos/ Ran/ Rosh/ Meiri ?
What is a practical difference?
Is the extra tefach of the required height of the Lulav in addition to the first 3 tefachim part of the required height from the Torah or is it Rabbinic? See last line משנה כט עמוד ב and רש”י דף כט: “ושל עיר הנדחת
The Mishna is clear that one must shake the Lulav. What is the source of the Mishna for this obligation?
How many times must one shake the Lulav? What is considered נענועים – Moving the Lulav in various directions or actually shaking (rattling) the Lulav Learn “תוספת “כדי Learn ‘ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “גמרא
How do we conclude lhalacha? Learn שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ט and the משנה ברורה
Sugya – קורה Learn the גמרא דף ד: “היה גבוה מעשרים (two dots – six lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on דף ה Clarify the four different ways the Gemara explains the Machlokes between Abaye and Rav Yosef
Question on רש”י דף ד: “מותר: Rashi says קורה משום היכר so why does Rashi need to add that we view the edge of the קורה as descending and creating a closure?
Learn גמרא דף ח: “איבעיא להו מהו להשתמשמ תחת הקורה (eleven lines before the wide lines) until אמר רב חסדא (second wide line) Learn תוס’ “מותר who asks a question from the גמרא דף ח
Learn the גמרא דף ד: “מחיצות (twelve lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots Questions: How do we learn the minimum height of a mechitza from the Aron and the Kapores? Why didn’t the Gemara list other halachos of Mechitza for example how many walls are needed to create a reshus hayachid? See גאון יעקב https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14053&st=&pgnum=17
Next Sugya – קורה Learn the גמרא דף ד: “היה גבוה מעשרים (two dots – six lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on דף ה
Question on רש”י דף ד: “מותר: Rashi says קורה משום היכר so why does Rashi need to add that we view the edge of the קורה as descending and creating a closure. Learn מהרש”א https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&st=&pgnum=263 Learn תוס’ “מותר
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Learn גמרא דף לז עמוד ב from after the Mishna until the Mishna דף לח
Questions: What is the proper practice of shaking the Lulav when the Chazzan says יאמר נא ה’ & the public replies הודו לה’ כי טוב? Should the public shake the Lulav at each of the responses of הודו לה’ כי טוב? Should the Chazzan shake the Lulav when he says יאמר נא? Learn “תוספת “בהודו starting from “ועכשיו (seven lines before the medium lines) until “ובשעת ברכה Learn ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “בהודו (fourth line) until גמרא who gives a different opinion than Tosfos.
Question: The practice in most shuls is that the Chazzan only shakes the Lulav during הודו לה’ and the first line of יאמר נא and the public shakes the Lulav during each הודו לה’ that is said in response to all the יאמר נא & יאמרו נא. What is the explanation of this practice as it’s not in accordance with any of the opinions above ? See שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ב and משנה ברורה ס”ק מא
Is one required to shake the Lulav when he first recites the bracha on the lulav before Hallel? Learn “תוספת “בהודו starting from “ובשעת ברכה Learn ‘ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “מתני (top line) who gives an additional source. Learn רא”ש פרק שלישי ס’ כו (the paragraph on the Mishna) Learn רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ז הלכה ט-י and the הגהות מיימונית אות ס
What is the source of the Mishna that one must shake the Lulav? How many times must one shake the Lulav? What is considered נענועים – Moving the Lulav in various directions or actually shaking (rattling) the Lulav Learn “תוספת “כדי Learn ‘ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “גמרא
Conclusion of Sugya: חציצה The Rambam (רמב”ם ה’ מקוואות פרק ב’ הלכה ט”ו) brings a machlokes in regards to Hilchos Chatzitzah of how we evaluate the majority of the hair independent of the body The גאונים – a chatzitzah on majority of the hair will invalidate the Tevilah The רמב”ם – calculate the majority of the hair and body collectively https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58964&st=&pgnum=214
The ח’ הגרי”ז on this רמב”ם explains the torah views the body and the hair as two separate entities The גאונים – Drasha that chatzitzah applies to hair requires the hair to be immersed in the water without a chatzitzah but it still remains an independent entity than the body The רמב”ם – Drasha teaches in regards to chatzitzah we view the hair and the body as one unit.
Major Question: According to the גאונים if the hair is considered an independent entity from the body what is the connection between one strand of hair to the next that we should evaluate all the hair as one unit? Learn אבי עזרי on this רמב”ם
Learn the גמרא דף ד: “מחיצות (twelve lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots Questions: How do we learn the minimum height of a mechitza from the Aron and kapores? Why didn’t the Gemara list other halachos of Mechitza for example how many walls are needed to create a reshus hayachid? See גאון יעקב
Next Sugya – קורה Learn the גמרא דף ד: “היה גבוה מעשרים (two dots – six lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on דף ה Question on רש”י דף ד: “מותר: If Rashi says קורה משום היכר why does Rashi say the edge of the קורה is considered to be descending and creating a closure. Learn מהרש”א Learn תוס’ “מותר
Question: What is the basis of the גאונים; why do we calculate the majority of the hair separate than the body? Why does the Rambam argue and calculate majority of the hair and body collectively? Learn ח’ הגרי”ז on this רמב”ם
According to the גאונים of the hair is considered an independent entity from the body what is the connection between one strand of hair to the next that we should evaluate all the hair as one unit? Learn אבי עזרי on this רמב”ם
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Learn משנה דף לז: & גמרא until א”ר יוסי בר אבין (second to last line of the Amud)
Questions: Why do we shake the Lulav specifically when we recite the pasuk of הודו לה’ כי טוב and אנא ה’ הושיעה נא? What is the proper practice of shaking the Lulav when the Chazzan says יאמר נא ה’ & the public replies הודו לה’ כי טוב? Should the public shake the Lulav at each of the responses of הודו לה’ כי טוב? Should the Chazzan shake the Lulav when he says יאמר נא?
The Mishna discusses shaking and waving the Daled Minim during Hallel. Does one need to shake and wave the Lulav when he recites the bracha on them before Hallel? Learn “תוספות “בהודו starting from “ועכשיו (seven lines before the medium lines) until “ובשעת ברכה Learn ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “בהודו (fourth line) until גמרא who gives a different opinion than Tosfos. Why does Beis Shammai require to shake the Lulav also by אנא ה’ הצליחה נא?
What is the source of the Mishna that one must shake the Lulav? Learn “תוספות “כדי
Tosfos (“תוס’ עירובין דף ד: “דבר) – qualifying the halacha of both hair and body.
Why is it a given that כולה ואינו מקפיד is a חציצה? Is the criteria of מקפיד part of the הלכה למשה מסיני? How could a knot on one strand of hair be a חציצה it is only blocking a minority of persons hair? How does the יש מפרשים reconcile all the questions of Tosfos? Learn שפת אמת סוכה דף ו https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14522&st=&pgnum=133
