Category: Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim’s shiurim

Learn גמרא דף מג: “ערבה שבעה כיצד (two dots) until איתיביה אביי (middle of the Amud) 

Questions:

Why doesn’t the Gemara open with a similar question that it asked on Lulav on דף מב asking why Aravah is not taken on the first six days of Sukkos when it coincides with Shabbos? 

The Gemara says Aravah is permitted to be taken on Shabbos when it coincides with Hoshana Rabbah because שלוחי בית דין מייתי לה 

Is this a retraction from the first reason of לפרסום שהיא מן התורה?

Learn ריטב”א “ומהדרינן 

See מהרש”א 

How does the fact that שלוחי בית דין מייתי לה agents of the court bring the aravos avoid the concern of someone carrying an Aravah on Shabbos? 

The Gemara ask “Why don’t we post Churban Beis Hamikdash take the Aravah on hoshana Rabbah when it coincides Shabbos” 

What is the logic to permit this as our practice is that everyone takes the Aravah not just שלוחי בית דין and therefore the גזירה דרבה is applicable and we should be concerned someone might carry the Aravah?  

Learn תוספת מג: “שלוחי

Learn ריטב”א who gives a different explanation than Rashi and Tosfos

Question on Rashi:

Rashi explains the opening question of the gemara is based on גזירה דרבה. How could the gemara than offer the explanation of גזירה דרבה when explaining why Lulav is not taken on Shabbos as this is already known? 

The Gemara says Aravah is taken only one specific day of Sukkos that coincides with Shabbos as if it would be taken any of the seven days of Sukkos that coincides with Shabbos “אתי לפקפוקי בלולב” 

See Rashi for one explanation

See ריטב”א “אי הכי כל who gives different explanation

According to the opinion that taking Aravah post churban is just a minhag and not even a mitzvah from the Rabanan why would we have permission to take them on Shabbos as the Aravos are muktzah?

See ריטב”א “ופרכינן אי הכי for an answer.

The Gemara answers “Because we are not experts to calculate the precise day of Yom Tov that’s why we can’t take aravos on Hoshana Rabbah that coincides with Shabbos.”

What’s the major concern even if hoshana Rabbah is really the sixth day of Sukkos there is no issue with taking the Aravah as the Gemara said in essence one should be permitted to take Aravah every day of Sukkos to publicize that it’s a mitzvah from the Torah just we don’t to prevent people from treating the mitzvah of Lulav lightly? 

Link to ריטב”א on the entire Gemara who addresses many of these questions

https://www.sefaria.org/Ritva_on_Sukkah.43b.1?lang=bi

Continue learning the Gemara until איתיביה אביי (middle of the Amud) 

Very quickly review the דף מג. “דאיתיה בגבולין (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) until “וסוכה גופא מנלן” (thirteen lines from bottom of the Amud)

Question: Are the disqualifications of the Daled Minim in the Beis Hamikdash all seven days the same as those of the first day of Sukkos?

There is an argument between Tosfos and the Ramban whether the requirement of לכם – to own the Daled Minim – applies for the Daled Minim for the entire Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash 

See תוספת דף כט: “בעינן

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&daf=29b&format=pdf

See ריטב”א beginning of the third Perek

https://www.sefaria.org/Ritva_on_Sukkah.29b?lang=bi

See ביכורי יעקב ס’ תרנ”ח ס”ק א for a lengthy discussion how one can fulfill mitzvah from the Torah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49325&st=&pgnum=68

Question:

Is there any current practical application of the halacha requirements of Daled Minim in the Beis Hamikdash all seven days of Sukkos even though we don’t have a Beis Hamikdash?

See Mishna .דף מא 

Rashi on the Mishna 

And פירוש משניות לרמב”ם on the Mishna who argue what area is considered מקדש

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=487

And רמב״ם הלכות שופר פרק ב הלכה ח  https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=262&hilite=

And רמב״ם הלכות בית הבחירה פרק ו הלכה יד-טו וראב”ד שם

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&st=&pgnum=16

See ביכורי יעקב ס’ תרנ”ח ס”ק א for a lengthy discussion how one can fulfill mitzvah from the Torah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49325&st=&pgnum=68

Please spend time this morning to write a summary of the above Sugya.

Learn גמרא דף מג. “וסוכה גופא מנלן (thirteen lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on דף מג עמוד ב 

Continue learning the Gemara until איתיביה אביי (middle of the Amud) 

Topic: The mitzvah of Daled Minim in Beis Hamikdash and the rest of the world.

Learn the דף מג. “דאיתיה בגבולין (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) until “וסוכה גופא מנלן” (thirteen lines from bottom of the Amud)

Question on “רש”י “אלא ראשון:

Why should the fact that the Mitzvah of Daled Minim on the second – seventh day of Sukkos is only in the Beis Hamikdash be a reason that the Rabanan should allow a gezeira to not perform the Mitzvah?

Learn תוספת “הא

Chakirah: Is the mitzvah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash – an extension of the Mitzvah of Daled Minim of the first day obligation everywhere or an independent mitzvah? Think of a נפקא מינה between the two options 

Learn בעל המאור “אי הכי (first one on fourth Perek)

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=624

Note: how the בעל המאור explains different than תוספת “הא and avoids the major question we asked on Tosfos 

How could Tosfos suggest limiting the Daled Minim for the seven days of Sukkos which coincide with Shabbos to one’s home?  The only mitzvah for the rest of Sukkos is in the Beis Hamikdash?  

Learn עמק ברכה ה’ לולב אות א “וסוכה מג for an answer

Bring a proof to the chakirah 

1. from the Gemara 

2. from “רש”י “אלא ראשון 

See מנחת חינוך מצוה שכד ס”ק א

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14092&st=&pgnum=164

See עמק ברכה ה’ לולב אות א 

Question: Are the disqualifications of the Daled Minim in the Beis Hamikdash all seven days the same as those of the first day of Sukkos?

There is an argument between Tosfos and the Ramban whether the requirement of לכם – to own the Daled Minim – applies for the Daled Minim for the entire Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash 

See תוספת דף כט: “בעינן

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&daf=29b&format=pdf

See ריטב”א beginning of the third Perek

https://www.sefaria.org/Ritva_on_Sukkah.29b?lang=bi

See ביכורי יעקב ס’ תרנ”ח ס”ק א for a lengthy discussion how one can fulfill mitzvah from the Torah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49325&st=&pgnum=68

Very quickly review the “גמרא דף מב: “אמר רבה” until דף מג. “דאיתיה בגבולין (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) 

Topic: גזירה דרבה שלא ליטול לולב בשבת

Quickly review “תוספת “אינהו who asks 

Why is there a difference in the gezeira between Lulav and Shofar?

What’s the explanation for the incongruity of the gezeira on the Mitzvah of shofar during the time of Beis Hamikdash to the gezeira after the churban?

In Conclusion:

Why is the Mitzvah of Daled Minim not performed on the first day of Sukkos which coincides with Shabbos? 

Is it because gezeira to prevent one from carrying on Shabbos, or because of the uncertainty whether the first day of Sukkos is the fifteenth or fourteenth of Tishrei? 

See ריף מגילה דף ד: “גרסינן במסכת סוכה

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14306&st=&pgnum=609

Learn ר”ן on our Gemara

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=624

Bring a proof from the ר”ן if he agrees with the רי”ף 

Learn the דף מג. “דאיתיה בגבולין (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) until “וסוכה גופא מנלן” (thirteen lines from bottom of the Amud)

Topic: The mitzvah of Daled Minim in Beis Hamikdash and the rest of the world.

Question:

Is the mitzvah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash an extension of the Mitzvah of Daled Minim of the first day obligation everywhere?

or an independent mitzvah?

Practical difference – נפקא מינה – if one performed the mitzvah of Daled Minim on the first day of Sukkos in his home and later that day went to the Beis Hamikdash would he have to take the Daled Minim again 

Learn בעל המאור “אי הכי (first one on fourth Perek)

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=624

Note: how the בעל המאור explains different than תוספת “הא and avoids the major question we asked on Tosfos 

How could Tosfos suggest limiting the Daled Minim for the seven days of Sukkos which coincide with Shabbos to one’s home?  The only mitzvah for the rest of Sukkos is in the Beis Hamikdash?  See עמק ברכה ה’ לולב אות א “וסוכה מג for an answer

Bring a proof to the chakirah 

1. from the Gemara we learnt today

2. from “רש”י “אלא ראשון (on gemara earlier on the Amud)

See מנחת חינוך מצוה שכד ס”ק א

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14092&st=&pgnum=164

See עמק ברכה ה’ לולב אות א 

Very quickly review the “גמרא דף מב: “אמר רבה” until דף מג. “דאיתיה בגבולין (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) 

Topic: גזירה דרבה שלא ליטול לולב בשבת

Quickly review “תוספת “אינהו who asks 

Why is there a difference in the gezeira between Lulav and Shofar?

What’s the explanation for the incongruity of the gezeira on the Mitzvah of shofar during the time of Beis Hamikdash to the gezeira after the churban?

Question:

Why didn’t the Rabanan make a gezeira not to perform a Bris Milah on Shabbos to prevent someone from carrying the milah knife to consult with an expert? 

Why didn’t the Rabanan make a gezeira not to blow shofar at the end of Yom Kippur?

Learn תוספת מגילה דף ד: “ויעבירנו (second Tosfos)

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=11&daf=4b&format=pdf

Learn “תוספת “הא

Question on Tosfos:

Tosfos asks that the mitzvah of Daled Minim should be allowed inside ones home whichever day of Sukkos coincides with Shabbos. The gemara is discussing the time period of the beis hamikdash which only had a Mitzvah in the Beis Hamikdash. How could Tosfos suugest to perform the mitzvah of Daled Minim in one’s home on any of the seven days?

Learn משנה ראש השנה פרק ג, משנה א   

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=9&daf=29b&format=pdf

Note: Which locations and time periods was blowing shofar on Shabbos Rosh Hashanah permitted. 

Learn “תוספת “אינהו who asks 

Why is there a difference in the gezeira between Lulav and Shofar?

What’s the explanation for the incongruity of the gezeira on the Mitzvah of shofar during the time of Beis Hamikdash to the gezeira after the churban?

In Conclusion:

Why is the Mitzvah of Daled Minim not performed on the first day of Sukkos which coincides with Shabbos? 

Is it because gezeira to prevent one from carrying on Shabbos, or because of the uncertainty whether the first day of Sukkos is the fifteenth or fourteenth of Tishrei? 

See ריף מגילה דף ד: “גרסינן במסכת סוכה

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14306&st=&pgnum=609

Learn ר”ן on our Gemara

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=624

Bring a proof from the ר”ן if he agrees with the רי”ף 

Topic: גזירה דרבה שלא ליטול לולב בשבת

Review the גמרא דף מב: “אמאי and continue learning the Gemara until דף מג. “אי הכי (second line from top of the Amud) 

Learn “תוספת דף מג. “ויעבירנו 

Question:

Why didn’t the Rabanan make a gezeira not to perform a bris Mila on Shabbos to prevent someone from carrying the milah knife to consult with an expert? 

Why didn’t the Rabanan make a gezeira not to blow shofar at the end of Yom Kippur?

Learn תוספת מגילה דף ד: “ויעבירנו (second Tosfos)

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=11&daf=4b&format=pdf

Learn “תוספת “הא

Question:

What benefit would there be to limiting the Daled Minim for any of the seven days of Sukkos which coincide with Shabbos to ones home? As the Gemara is discussing the time period of the beis hamikdash which only had a Mitzvah in the Beis Hamikdash for all seven days?

Learn משנה ראש השנה פרק ג, משנה א   

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=9&daf=29b&format=pdf

Note:

The gezeira for blowing shofar on Rosh Hashanah which is Shabbos -where the shofar was permitted and during which time periods 

Learn “תוספת “אינהו who asks 

Why is there a difference in the gezeira between Lulav and Shofar?

What’s the explanation for the incongruity of the gezeira on the Mitzvah of shofar during the time of Beis Hamikdash to the gezeira after the churban?

In Conclusion:

Why is the Mitzvah of Daled Minim not performed on the first day of Sukkos which coincides with Shabbos? 

Is it because gezeira to prevent one from carrying on Shabbos

Or 

Because of the uncertainty whether the first day of Sukkos is Sukkos or Erev Sukkos

See ריף מגילה דף ד: “גרסינן במסכת סוכה

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14306&st=&pgnum=609

Learn ר”ן on our Gemara

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=624

Bring a proof from the ר”ן if he agrees with the רי”ף 

Quickly review the גמרא דף מב עמוד ב from after the Mishna until “אמר רבה”

Question:

Is an article that it’s functionality is exclusively for the purpose of a mitzvah (for example – lulav) considered muktzah?

We learnt “תוספת “טלטול that although it’s function is for a mitzvah since the item is not essentially a kli it is muktzah therefore Daled Minim are muktzeh on Shabbos.

We learnt a machlokes between the Rema and the Taz as to what category of muktzah is a Lulav on Shabbos of Sukkos

(See שולחן ערוך ורמ”א אורח חיים ס’ תרנ”ח סעיף ב and ט”ז ס”ק ג and משנה ברורה ס”ק ד and שער הציון אות ג)

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=402

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=262

Rema – Muktzeh like a rock – מוקצה מחמת גופו

Taz – equates Lulav to a Shofar which has status of a כלי שמלאכתו לאיסור which is permitted to be moved לצורך גופו ומקומו

For shofar see שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ תקפ”ח סעיף ה and משנה ברורה

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=264

And שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ תקצ”ו and משנה ברורה ס”ק ג

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=140

Based on Tosfos are Tefillin on Shabbos considered muktzah?

See בית יוסף beginning of אורח חיים ס’ ש”ח

How does the Beis Yosef align with what Tosfos says? 

Learn ערוך לנר על תוספת “טלטול”- אע”ג דחזי

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=165

What’s the halachic conclusion regarding tefillin? 

Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ ש”ח סעיף ד and משנה ברורה ס”ק כ”ד-כ”ה

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=216

Continue learning the Gemara until דף מג. “אי הכי (second line from top of the Amud) 

Learn תוספת דף מג. “ויעבירנו