Quickly review the גמרא דף י: “אי נמי until “וליחוש”
Clarify the four concepts the gemara introduces
1. פרוץ מרובה על העומד
2. עומד מרובה משני רוחות
3. פרוץ כעומד
4. אתי אוירא .. ומבטלה
Why don’t we consider the remaining opening of ten Amos to be פרוץ מרובה from the Amud adjacent to it?
See ח’ מאירי דף י (In middle) from “ואע”ג דפרוץ דפתח מרובה
The gemara says it’s possible that פרוץ כעומד is good yet we still would say אתי אוירא מהאי גיסא ואוירא מהאי גיסא ומבטלה. If פרוץ is indeed כעומד why should it be any different than when the Amud is larger than the adjacent gap of air in which we do not say אתי אוירא ומבטלה?
Review the גמרא דף י. “תני לוי (four lines from bottom of the Amud) until דף י: “אי נמי
Questions:
Rashi says a single post help can not reduce the size of the opening of the Mavui because אתי אוירא מהאי גיסא ואוירא מהאי גיסא ומבטלה
See רש”י דף י. “אין
See ח’ רע”א who asks on Rashi the gemara at this stage does not know of the concept of אתי אוירא ומבטל?
The Gemara first solution to reduce the size of the opening of the Mavui is to place a panel of four Amos continue learning the gemara which presents an alternate solution
Continue learning the גמרא דף י: “אי נמי until “וליחוש”
Clarify the three concepts the gemara introduces of פרוץ מרובה על העומד, פרוץ כעומד, אתי אוירא .. ומבטלה
List the three other options of the size and positioning the Gemara suggests for the panels of wood to reduce the size of the opening of the mavui.
Is there a benefit with any of these options more than the solution that Rav Yehuda presented?
Learn “תוס’ “ואמאי
Does one need to place a Lechi or Korah in addition to the פס?
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Learn the “גמרא דף מב: “יכול לאכול כזית (second line from top of the Amud) until the end of the Perek.
Distancing oneself from צואת קטן:
Questions:
At what stage does the צואת קטן have the status of צואה; when the infants that age start to eat foods from the five grains or when this child personally starts to eat them?
If a child started to eat food from the five grains but them stopped for a long period of time would his צואה lose the status of צואה?
Learn טור אורח חיים ס’ פ”א סעיף א with the בית יוסף and the ב”ח
Learn the “גמרא דף י. “תני לוי (four lines from bottom of the Amud) until דף י: “ואמאי יעשה
Questions:
Why doesn’t a single post help to divide the size of the opening of the Mavui?
See רש”י דף י. “אין
See ח’ רע”א who asks on Rashi the gemara at this stage does not know of the concept of אתי אוירא ומבטל?
How does placing a panel four Amos in the direction of the depth of the Mavui remove the issue of the size of the opening of the Mavui greater than ten Amos?
Learn ריטב”א דף י: “עושה who presents two different ways to explain the solution.
Learn תוס’ דף י: “עושה פס גבוה
Is Tosfos explaining like Rashi or the Ritva?
Why don’t we say אתי אוירא ומבטל on the panel of four Amos?
Learn the גמרא דף י. “והרחב מעשר ימעט (two dots) until “תני לוי” (four lines from bottom of the Amud)
What’s the explanation of the words “כלל כלל לא”
See רש”י
Question:
How could Rashi explain the Gemara is saying according to ר”י the opening can not exceed 10 Amos when ר”י is quoted as arguing on the Rabanan and permits the opening to exceed 10 Amos?
Learn ריטב”א “אבל הכא כלל כלל for an answer
See הגהות ר’ אליעזר משה הורביץ in back of the Gemara for a novel answer and new explanation in how the תיקון of קורה operates.
See ר’ יהונתן דף ב. “ורבי יהודה פליג who explains why ר”י permits the opening to exceed 10 Amos.
Learn the גמרא דף י. “תני לוי (four lines from bottom of the Amud) until דף י: “ואמאי יעשה
Continue learning the Gemara until the end of the Perek.
Distancing oneself from צואת קטן:
Questions:
At what stage does the צואת קטן have the status of צואה; when the infants that age start to eat foods from the five grains or when this child personally starts to eat them?
If a child started to eat food from the five grains but them stopped for a long period of time would his צואה lose the status of צואה?
Learn טור אורח חיים ס’ פ”א סעיף א with the בית יוסף and the ב”ח
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Quickly review “גמרא דף מב: “היודע לשחוט (top of the Amud) until “דף מב: “יכול לאכול כזית צלי (eighth line from top of the Amud)
Relying on קטנים for Shechita:
Review “תוספות “והיודע
Questions:
When can one rely on a קטן to perform Shechita on an animal?
Can a קטן be a Shochet?
The ר”ן asks a contradiction to our Gemara from the Mishna חולין דף ב and גמרא חולין דף מב עמוד ב which says that one may not give animals to a child to slaughter and only in the event that he did slaughter correctly as an adult was supervising may it be eaten?
The Ran reconciles the contradiction and explains that the Gemara in Chulin is dealing with a child who is unskilled at slaughtering therefore he may not be given animals to slaughter lest an error will result however our Gemara is dealing with a trained skilled minor and he may be given animals to slaughter as long as there is an adult supervising.
Learn תוספות חולין דף ב. “שמא which brings the opinion of ר”ת who argues on Rashi in Chulin and explained the Gemara in Chulin that one may not give a child an animal to slaughter when there is no adult supervision.
Continue learning the Gemara until the end of the Perek.
Distancing oneself from צואת קטן:
Questions:
At what stage does the צואת קטן have the status of צואה; when the infants that age start to eat foods from the five grains or when this child personally starts to eat them?
If a child started to eat food from the five grains but them stopped for a long period of time would his צואה lose the status of צואה?
Learn טור אורח חיים ס’ פ”א סעיף א with the בית יוסף and the ב”ח
Very quickly review the גמרא דף ט: “אמר רבה בר רב הונא (thirteen lines from the bottom of the Amud) until “דף י. “האי ” (second line from top of the Amud)
Write out the steps of the Gemara
List the following opinions and what they said
ר’ זירא
רבינא
רבי
Continue learning the גמרא דף י. “האי until “אמר רב יוסף” (three lines before the wide lines)
Note: The opinion of ר’ יוסי who holds the minimum width of a Lechi is three tefachim is brought in the משנה דף יד עמוד ב
Continue learning the גמרא דף י. “אמר רב יוסף until the two dots (sixth wide line)
How do we conclude l’halacha in regards to נראה מבחוץ ושוה מבפנים
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Review גמרא דף מב: “היודע לשחוט (top of the Amud) until דף מב: “יכול לאכול כזית צלי (eighth line from top of the Amud)
Relying on קטנים for Shechita:
Learn “תוספות “והיודע
Questions:
When can one rely on a קטן to perform Shechita on an animal?
Can a קטן be a Shochet?
The ר”ן asks a contradiction to our Gemara from the Mishna חולין דף ב and גמרא חולין דף מב עמוד ב which says that one may not give animals to a child to slaughter and only in the event that he did slaughter correctly as an adult was supervising may it be eaten?
The Ran reconciles the contradiction and explains that the Gemara in Chulin is dealing with a child who is unskilled at slaughtering therefore he may not be given animals to slaughter lest an error will result however our Gemara is dealing with a trained skilled minor and he may be given animals to slaughter as long as there is an adult supervising.
Learn תוספת חולין דף ב. “שמא which brings the opinion of ר”ת who argues on Rashi in Chulin and explained the Gemara in Chulin that one may not give a child an animal to slaughter when there is no adult supervision.
Continue learning the Gemara until the end of the Perek.
Distancing oneself from צואת קטן:
Questions:
At what stage does the צואת קטן have the status of צואה; when the infants that age start to eat foods from the five grains or when this child personally starts to eat them?
If a child started to eat food from the five grains but them stopped for a long period of time would his צואה lose the status of צואה?
Learn טור אורח חיים ס’ פ”א סעיף א with the בית יוסף and the ב”ח
Sugya: נראה בפנים ואינו נראה מבחוץ and נראה מבחוץ ואינו נראה מבפנים
Review the גמרא דף ט: “ור’ יוחנן (eighteen lines from the top of the Amud) until “דף י. “האי ” (second line from top of the Amud)
Question:
Is the machlokes whether נראה מבחוץ is a valid Lechi dependent on the argument whether the היכר is for the people outside the Mavui or inside the Mavui?
Review גמרא דף מב: “היודע לשחוט (top of the Amud) until דף מב: “יכול לאכול כזית צלי (eighth line from top of the Amud)
Relying on קטנים for Shechita:
Learn תוספת “והיודע
Questions:
When can one rely on a קטן to perform Shechita on an animal?
Can a קטן be a Shochet?
The ר”ן asks a contradiction to our Gemara from the Mishna חולין דף ב and גמרא חולין דף מב עמוד ב which says that one may not give animals to a child to slaughter and only in the event that he did slaughter correctly as an adult was supervising may it be eaten?
The Ran reconciles the contradiction and explains that the Gemara in Chulin is dealing with a child who is unskilled at slaughtering therefore he may not be given animals to slaughter lest an error will result however our Gemara is dealing with a trained skilled minor and he may be given animals to slaughter as long as there is an adult supervising.
Learn תוספת חולין דף ב. “שמא which brings the opinion of ר”ת who argues on Rashi in Chulin and explained the Gemara in Chulin that one may not give a child an animal to slaughter when there is no adult supervision.
Sugya: נראה בפנים ואינו נראה מבחוץ and נראה מבחוץ ואינו נראה מבפנים
Review the גמרא דף ט: “ור’ יוחנן (eighteen lines from the top of the Amud) until “דף י. “האי ” (second line from top of the Amud)
Major Question:
How could a Lechi be created through Lavud when there is no post that is noticable?
Note: in Sugya of מבוי שרצפו בלחיים Rav Ashi said we view many individual Lechi as one wide Lechi through Lavud.
Question:
Is the machlokes whether נראה מבחוץ is a valid Lechi dependent on the argument whether the היכר is for the people outside the Mavui or inside the Mavui?
According to the opinion לחי משום מחיצה and חודו חיצון סותם (we consider the outer face plate of the Lechi as closing the area). How could the Lechi partially protruding outside the Mavui permit one to carry in the Mavui as there is no wall opposite the Lechi for the Lechi to connect to?
Quickly review גמרא דף מב: “היודע לשחוט (top of the Amud) until דף מב: “יכול לאכול כזית צלי (eighth line from top of the Amud)
Relying on קטנים for Shechita:
Learn “תוספות “והיודע
Questions:
When can one rely on a קטן to perform Shechita on an animal?
Can a קטן be a Shochet?
The ר”ן asks a contradiction to our Gemara from the Mishna חולין דף ב and גמרא חולין דף מב עמוד ב which says that one may not give animals to a child to slaughter and only in the event that he did slaughter correctly as an adult was supervising may it be eaten?
The Ran reconciles the contradiction and explains that the Gemara in Chulin is dealing with a child who is unskilled at slaughtering therefore he may not be given animals to slaughter lest an error will result however our Gemara is dealing with a trained skilled minor and he may be given animals to slaughter as long as there is an adult supervising.
Learn תוספות חולין דף ב. “שמא which brings the opinion of ר”ת who argues on Rashi in Chulin and explained the Gemara in Chulin that one may not give a child an animal to slaughter when there is no adult supervision.
Continue learning the Gemara until the end of the Perek.
Distancing oneself from צואת קטן:
Questions:
At what stage does the צואת קטן have the status of צואה; when the infants that age start to eat foods from the five grains or when this child personally starts to eat them?
If a child started to eat food from the five grains but them stopped for a long period of time would his צואה lose the status of צואה?
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Sugya: נראה בפנים ואינו נראה מבחוץ and נראה מבחוץ ואינו נראה מבפנים
Very quickly review גמרא דף ט: “ולרבי שמעון בן גמליאל (sixth line from top of the Amud) until ור’ יוחנן (eighteen lines from the top of the Amud)
Review תוס’ דף ט: “ולרשב”ג
Tosfos asks on Rashi how could the protruding Lechi permit people to carry opposite the Lechi? This area is Reshus Harabim?
Question on Tosfos:
It seems that Tosfos understands why the Lechi permits one to carry inside the Mavui. This seems to be contradictory to the Gemara on bottom of דף ח עמוד ב which says a Korah placed outside the walls of a Mavui is invalid. So how could a Lechi placed outside the Mavui permit one to carry inside the Mavui?
According to the opinion לחי משום מחיצה and חודו חיצון סותם (we consider the outer face plate of the Lechi as closing the area). How could the Lechi partially protruding outside the Mavui permit one to carry in the Mavui as there is no wall opposite the Lechi for the Lechi to connect to?
Sugya: נראה בפנים ואינו נראה מבחוץ and נראה מבחוץ ואינו נראה מבפנים
Review גמרא דף ט: “ולרבי שמעון בן גמליאל (sixth line from top of the Amud) until ור’ יוחנן (eighteen lines from the top of the Amud)
Clarify what the case of נראה בפנים ואינו נראה מבחוץ and נראה מבחוץ ואינו נראה מבפנים looks like.
Learn תוס’ דף ט: “ולרשב”ג
Tosfos asks on Rashi how could the protruding Lechi permit people to carry opposite the Lechi? This area is Reshus Harabim?
Question on Tosfos:
It seems that Tosfos understands why the Lechi permits one to carry inside the Mavui. This seems to be contradictory to the Gemara on bottom of דף ח עמוד ב which says a Korah placed outside the walls of a Mavui is invalid. So how could a Lechi placed outside the Mavui permit one to carry inside the Mavui?
According to the opinion לחי משום מחיצה and חודו חיצון סותם (we consider the outer face plate of the Lechi as closing the area). How could the Lechi partially protruding outside the Mavui permit one to carry in the Mavui as there is no wall opposite the Lechi for the Lechi to connect to?
Continue learning the גמרא דף ט: “ור’ יוחנן (eighteen lines from the top of the Amud) until “אמר רבה בר רב הונא” (twelve lines from bottom of the Amud)
Sugya: נראה בפנים ואינו נראה מבחוץ and נראה מבחוץ ואינו נראה מבפנים
To start the next gemara /Sugya quickly review the גמרא דף ט.”א’ל רב הונא בריה דרבי יהושע (twelve lines from bottom of the Amud) until “דף ט: “ולרבי שמעון בן גמליאל (sixth line from top of the Amud)
Learn “גמרא דף ט: “ולרבי שמעון בן גמליאל (sixth line from top of the Amud) until ור’ יוחנן (eighteen lines from the top of the Amud)
Clarify what the case of נראה בפנים ואינו נראה מבחוץ and נראה מבחוץ ואינו נראה מבפנים looks like.
Learn “תוס’ דף ט: “ולרשב”ג
Tosfos asks on Rashi how could the protruding Lechi permit people to carry opposite the Lechi? This area is Reshus Harabim?
Question on Tosfos:
It seems that Tosfos understands why the Lechi permits one to carry inside the Mavui. This seems to be contradictory to the Gemara on bottom of דף ח עמוד ב which says a Korah placed outside the walls of a Mavui is invalid. So how could a Lechi placed outside the Mavui permit one to carry inside the Mavui?
