Category: Shabbos

Conclusion  גמרא דף לח: “פינה ממיחם למיחם until the Mishna 

Practical cases

The one transfer the contents of a Crock-Pot into a second pot and return the second pot to the fire?

May one add hot water directly from a hot water urn into a crock pot? 

Is it permitted if the water is placed into a cup and then poured into the Crock-Pot?

What is the halachik conclusion of פינה ממיחם למיחם 

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And ה’ רע”א אות ז

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And שער הציון אות מז

According to the Ran If one transfered the contents of a pot to a second pot can the second pot be returned to the stovetop?

According to Tosfos 

With the return of the second part be permitted if the second pot is hot?

onclusion  גמרא דף לח: “פינה ממיחם למיחם until the Mishna 

Summarize the two answers of תוס’ “פינה and תוס’ ישנים as to what is the uncertainty in the case of פינה ממיחם למיחם (transferring the food to a different pot) whether it is permitted to return the second pot to the stove

Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “בעי רב אשי for an additional two answers

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How are the two explanations of the Ran different than each other?

How are the two explanations of the Ran different than Tosfos? 

List the four answers to Tosfos question 

How many different explanations do we have as to why it might be prohibited to do Chazarah if transfered the contents of original pot to a new pot.

In conclusion is it required to have the conditions of עודה בידו and דעתו להחזיר  in order to return pot on to a stovetop?

Is placing the pot on a peg or on bed considered עודה בידו ?

If one transfered the contents of the original pot to a new pot can the second pot be returned to the stovetop?

Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “לא שנו 

Learn רא”ש ס’ ב last two lines

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Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י 

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Review the גמרא דף לח: “פינה ממיחם למיחם until the Mishna 

Question:

What is the uncertainty in the case of פינה ממיחם למיחם (transferring the food to a different pot) whether it is permitted to return the second pot to the stove?

See רש”י “פינה

Learn תוס’ “פינה who asks a question from Gemara in the fourth perek. 

See תוס’ ישנים answer from the רשב”א 

Major Question:

Tosfos says there is a potential concern when one transfers hot food into a second pot that one might come to stoke the coals.  How could there be a חשש שמא יחתה when we are dealing with a stove that is גרוף וקטום?

Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “בעי רב אשי for an additional two answers 

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How are the two explanations of the Ran different than each other?

How are the two explanations of the Ran different than Tosfos? 

Review the גמרא דף לח: “א”ר זריקא (seven lines from the top of the Amud) until the Mishna 

Question:

What is the uncertainty in the case of פינה ממיחם למיחם (transferring the food to a different pot) whether it is permitted to return the second pot to the stove?

See רש”י “פינה

Learn תוס’ “פינה who asks a question from Gemara in the fourth perek. 

See תוס’ ישנים answer from the רשב”א 

Major Question:

Tosfos says there is a potential concern when one transfers hot food into a second pot that one might come to stoke the coals.  How could there be a חשש שמא יחצה when we are dealing with a stove that is גרוף וקטום?

Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “בעי רב אשי for an additional two answers 

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How are the two explanations of the Ran different than each other?

How are the two explanations of the Ran different than Tosfos? 

Learn the גמרא דף לח: “א”ר זריקא (seven lines from the top of the Amud) until the Mishna 

Questions:

What is the reason why if the pot is placed on the ground it would be prohibited to return the food to the stove?

See רש”י “אבל הניח על גבי קרקע 

What is the uncertainty in the case of פינה ממיחם למיחם (transferring the food to a different pot) whether it is permitted to return the second pot to the stove?

See רש”י “פינה

Learn תוס’ “פינה 

Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “בעי רב אשי 

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Questions:

Why does Beis Shammai prohibit Chazarah even on a stove that is גרוף וקטום ?

See רש”י דף לו: “לא מחזירין

Is this the same reason Beis Hillel prohibits Chazarah when the stove is not גרוף וקטום?

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Learn the גמרא דף לח: “א”ר זריקא (seven lines from the top of the Amud) until the Mishna 

Questions:

What is the reason why if the pot is placed on the ground it would be prohibited to return the food to the stove?

See רש”י “אבל הניח על גבי קרקע 

What is the uncertainty in the case of פינה ממיחם למיחם (transferring the food to a different pot) whether it is permitted to return the second pot to the stove?

See רש”י “פינה

Learn תוס’ “פינה 

List the two different explanations (Rashi & Tosfos) of the chidush of Rav Sheshes and Rav Oshia דף לח עמוד ב that Beis Hillel permits חזרה even on Shabbos.

Learn the ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף ” ומיהו בירושלמי which brings a new explanation for the chidush of Rav Sheshes 

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Why does Beis Shammai prohibit Chazara even on a stove that is גרוף וקטום ?

See רש”י דף לו: “לא מחזירין

Is this the same reason Beis Hillel prohibits if it is not גרוף וקטום ?

According to Chanania it is permitted to leave food that is half way cooked on a stove that is not גרוף וקטום. Yet in regards to chazarah Beis Hillel only permits Chazara on a stove that is גרוף וקטום. Why?

Learn ח’ ר”ן דף לו: “אין מחזירין

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Continue learning the גמרא דף לח: “א”ר זריקא (seven lines from the top of the Amud) until the Mishna 

Very quickly review the גמרא דף לח. “ב”ה אומרין (two dots – bottom of the Amud) until דף לח: “א”ר זריקא (seven lines from the top of the Amud)

List the two different explanations (Rashi & Tosfos) of the chidush of Rav Sheshes and Rav Oshia that Beis Hillel permits חזרה even on Shabbos.

Review תוס’ דף לו: “וב”ה אומרים אף מחזירין (first half of Tosfos)

Questions:

According to Tosfos opinion that Beis Shamai prohibits Chazarah even on Friday 

Why is it prohibited to return food to the fire on Friday?

Is it prohibited to return food to the stove the entire Friday? 

Why does Beis Shammai prohibit Chazara even on a stove that is גרוף וקטום ?

See רש”י דף לו: “לא מחזירין

According to Chanania it is permitted to leave food that is half way cooked on a stove that is not גרוף וקטום. Yet in regards to chazarah Beis Hillel only permits Chazara on a stove that is גרוף וקטום. Why?

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Continue learning the גמרא דף לח: “א”ר זריקא (seven lines from the top of the Amud) until the Mishna 

Review the גמרא דף לח. “ב”ה אומרין (two dots – bottom of the Amud) until דף לח: “א”ר זריקא (seven lines from the top of the Amud)

Questions:

What is the chidush of Rav Sheshes and Rav Oshia that Beis Hillel permits חזרה even on Shabbos? 

How does Rashi address this? (Breakdown the three components of Rashi)

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How does Tosfos address this? 

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Learn תוס’ דף לח: “אפילו

Learn תוס’ דף לח: “פינה

Write a summary of the four explanations we discussed last week of the question of the Gemara עבר ושהה מהו 

Rashi 

Tosfos

Rosh – explanation #1

Rosh – explanation #2

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Learn רשב”א “הא דאיבעיא for another explanation of the Gemara. 

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Learn the גמרא דף לח. “ב”ה אומרין (two dots – bottom of the Amud) until the Mishna דף לח עמוד ב

Learn תוס’ דף לח: “אפילו

Learn תוס’ דף לח: “פינה

Very quickly review the גמרא דף לח. “איבעיא להו (twelve lines from bottom of the Amud) until “ב”ה אומרין (two dots – bottom of the Amud)

Questions:

The Gemara above discussed the halacha if someone violates the prohibition of שהייה. What is the Gemara question now עבר ושהה מאי?

Learn תוס’ “עבר

Why does Rashi explain the question of the Gemara different than Tosfos? 

How does Rashi answer the question of Tosfos that the Gemara already ruled if one intentionally leaves food on the stove it is prohibited?

Learn מהרש”א על רש”י “עבר for an explanation 

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Learn ר”ן דף לח. “והיכא דעבר who quoted the ראב”ד explanation that the מהרש”א says is the underpinning of Rashi. 

Learn רא”ש פרק ג’ סוף ס’ א “עבר ושהה who gives two other explanations to the Gemara. 

Learn רשב”א “הא דאיבעיא for another explanation of the Gemara. 

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Very quickly review the גמרא דף לח. “איבעיא להו (twelve lines from bottom of the Amud) until “ב”ה אומרין (two dots – bottom of the Amud)

Questions:

The Gemara above discussed the halacha if someone violates the prohibition of שהייה. What is the Gemara question now עבר ושהה מאי?

Learn תוס’ “עבר

Why doesn’t Tosfos explain the question of the Gemara also according to חנניא when the food is cooked less than מאכל בן דרוסאי like Tosfos did above תוס’ לח. “שכח

See מהרש”א for an explanation 

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Why does Rashi explain the question of the Gemara different than Tosfos? 

Learn רשב”א “הא דאיבעיא

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Welcome back

Review the גמרא דף לח. “איבעיא להו (twelve lines from bottom of the Amud) until “ב”ה אומרין (two dots – bottom of the Amud)

Questions:

The Gemara above discussed the halacha if someone violates the prohibition of שהייה. What is the Gemara question now עבר ושהה מאי?

Learn תוס’ “עבר

See מהרש”א

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Does Rashi explain the question of the Gemara the same as Tosfos? 

Learn רשב”א “הא דאיבעיא

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Learn the גמרא דף לח. “ב”ה אומרין (two dots – bottom of the Amud) until the Mishna דף לח עמוד ב

Learn תוס’ דף לח: “אפילו

Learn תוס’ דף לח: “פינה

Review the גמרא דף לח. “מיתיבי (eleven lines from top of the Amud) until דף לח. “איבעיא להו (twelve lines from bottom of the Amud)

Learn the גמרא דף לח. “איבעיא להו (twelve lines from bottom of the Amud) until “ב”ה אומרין (two dots – bottom of the Amud)

Questions:

The Gemara above discussed the halacha if someone violates the prohibition of שהייה. What is the Gemara question now עבר ושהה מאי?

Learn תוס’ “עבר

See מהרש”א

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Does Rashi explain the question of the Gemara the same as Tosfos? 

Learn רשב”א “הא דאיבעיא

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Quickly review גמרא דף לז: “אמר רב שמואל (middle of the Amud) until “בעו מיניה” (bottom of the Amud) 

Learn תוס’ “מהו 

Learn גמרא דף לז: “בעו מיניה (last line of Amud)

Until דף לח. “איבעיא להו (twelve lines from bottom of the Amud)

Quickly review גמרא דף לז: “אמר רב ששת (eleven lines from top of the Amud) until “אמר רב שמואל  ” (middle of the Amud) 

Learn תוס’ “אמר רב ששת

Learn תוס’ “דיוקא דמתניתן

See מהר”ם on Tosfos

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Learn גמרא דף לז: “אמר רב שמואל (middle of the Amud) until “בעו מיניה” (bottom of the Amud) 

Learn תוס’ “מהו 

Questions:

What is Rashi’s conclusion if we rule lhalacha in accordance with the רבנן or חנניא?

See רש”י דף לז: “ורב ששת

Learn משנה דף יט:-כ and גמרא דף כ until “אין נותנים 

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According to Rashi how is it permitted to leave bread inside an oven and wafers inside the coals as רב חלבו said it’s only permitted to leave on top of a כירה and not inside?

How does the Rif refute the proof from the משנה גמרא דף יט-כ?

Learn ר”ן דף לז “ורב אלפסי.

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Compare this to how Rashi is understanding 

Quickly review the גמרא דף לז. “אמר ר’ יצחק ” (second to last line) until דף לז: “אמר רב שמואל בר יהודה  (middle of the Amud)

Questions:

What is Rashi’s conclusion if we rule lhalacha in accordance with the רבנן or חנניא?

See רש”י דף לז: “ורב ששת

Learn משנה דף יט:-כ and גמרא דף כ until “אין נותנים 

According to Rashi what is the conclusion in regards to leaving food inside a כירה?

How does the Rif refute the proof from the משנה גמרא דף יט-כ?

Learn ר”ן דף לז “ורב אלפסי. 

Compare this to how Rashi is understanding