Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Morning Kollel: גמרא עירובין כג-כו: Wrap Up of קרפף Inside an עירוב – Farms Inside a City Eruv (07/24/23)
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Quickly review the “גמרא דף יב: “איתביה יתר על כן (middle of the Amud) until “אמר רב יהודה”
Conclusion of Sugya: Amount of walls needed to create a Reshus Hayachid
The Gemara asks a question from the machlokes Rebbe Yehuda and the Rabanan in regards to two mechitzos on the two sides of a Reshus Harabim.
What is the question and the answer of the Gemara?
Review תוס’ “איתיביה
List the three different explanations () in the question of the Gemara and the Nafka Mina between them in Hilchos Mechitzos
Rashi,
Tosfos
Ritva
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Question:
According to the conclusion of the Gemara, how many mechitzas are required to create a Reshus Hayachid?
Learn רא”ש סוכה פרק א ס’ ט
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Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק י”ז הלכה ט
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According to many Rishonim only three walls are required to create a Reshus Hayachid, and can be accomplished with two full walls and a lechi. Do the two full walls need to be parallel or perpendicular or doesn’t matter?
Learn ביאור הלכה ס’ שס”ג, א “אסרו חכמים
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&st=&pgnum=55
See the חזון איש note on this ביאור הלכה
Major Question:
The Gemara seems to say clearly that only three walls are necessary to create a Reshus Hayachid. How does the Rambam who rules that four walls are required learn our gemara?
Learn רבינו חננאל on the side of the Gemara for a different way to explain our gemara.
Major Question on ר”ח and Rambam:
In the answer of the Gemara having three walls and a lechi is considered a Reshus Hayachid. But according to Rava לחי is a היכר why is this Mavui considered a Reshus Hayachid?
Why does ר”ח say the tikun on the third side is a door? Why not a Tzuras hapesach?
See דברי יחזקאל ס’ ה אות יב
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https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14038&st=&pgnum=56
Continue learning the the “גמרא דף יב: ” אמר רב יהודה אמר רב מבוי (2/3 down the Amud) until the bottom of the Amud
Learn תוס’ “להוי
Learn תוס’ “ובתים
The Gemara concluded with the answer כאן במקדש כאן בגבולין
Major Question:
The Gemara on מד says that the taking of Aravos on Hoshana Rabbah is זכר למקדש.
But the gemara now says it was a either a יסוד and מנהג נביאים?
See רבינו חננאל (on side of the Gemara) for a different explanation than Rashi
Learn רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ז הלכה כא-כב and מגיד משנה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=287
Major Question:
The Rambam says the mitzvah of Aravah we take on Hoshana Rabbah is both זכר למקדש and מנהג נביאים.
How could it be both?
What compelled the Rambam to give this explanation?
The Rambam seems to offer an entirely new reason than the גמרא מד as to why the mitzvah of Aravah is only one day זכר למקדש?
Learn ערוך לנר for an explanation for the Rambam
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=171
Can we offer a different explanation for the Rambam based on the conclusion of the Gemara of כאן במקדש כאן בגבולין?
According to אבא שאול the mitzvah of Aravah in the Beis Hamikdash is learnt from the words ערבי נחל
Learn תוספת דף לד. “ואחת who asks where in the pasuk is it indicated that it’s limited to Beis Hamikdash?
See תוספת ראש
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And ערוך לנר
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Learn “גמרא דף מד: “א”ר אמי ערבה צריכה שיעור (top line) until “אמר אייבו”
See מהרש”א on the גירסא of the Gemara
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Learn תוספת “ואינה
Learn תוספת “שלשה
Question:
Is Tosfos giving a different explanation than Rashi? See מהרש”א and מהר”ם
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Questions:
What is the point of argument between רב נחמן and רב ששת in regards to how many Aravos one needs to take?
Learn ר”ן
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How do we conclude lhalacha in regards to how many Aravos one needs to take, amount of leaves, size?
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Learn טור אורח חיים ס’ תרס”ד סעיף ד (just the second half) & סעיף ה & ו
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Learn שולחן ערוך with the משנה ברורה
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Review the “גמרא דף יב: “איתביה יתר על כן (middle of the Amud) until “אמר רב יהודה”
The Gemara asks a question from the machlokes Rebbe Yehuda and the Rabanan in regards to two mechitzos on the two sides of a Reshus Harabim.
What is the question and the answer of the Gemara?
See Rashi
Questions on Rashi:
How could Rashi say the Rabanan agree to Rebbe Yehuda that only need a lechi or korah on each side? The Gemara on Daf 6a said the rabanan require a tzuras hapesach on one side and a lechi or korah on the other?
If Rebbe Yehuda holds two mechitzos create a Reshus Hayachid where is there a case of a סרטיא or פלטיא that is considered a Reshus Harabim (listed in גמרא שבת דף ו) as their roads had walls on the side of them?
Learn ריטב”א
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Learn תוס’ “איתיביה
Is Tosfos explanation the same as Rashi?
Learn ביאור הלכה ס’ שס”ג, א “אסרו חכמים
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Is Tosfos explanation the same as the Ritva?
Question:
According to the conclusion of the Gemara, how many mechitzas are required to create a Reshus Hayachid?
Learn רא”ש סוכה פרק א ס’ ט
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Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק י”ז הלכה ט
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=73
Major Question:
The Gemara seems to say clearly that only three walls are necessary to create a Reshus Hayachid. How does the Rambam who rules that four walls are required learn our gemara?
Learn רבינו חננאל on the side of the Gemara for a different way to explain our gemara.
Major Question on ר”ח and Rambam:
In the answer of the Gemara having three walls and a lechi is considered a Reshus Hayachid. But according to Rava לחי is a היכר why is this Mavui considered a Reshus Hayachid?
See דברי יחזקאל ס’ ה אות יב
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https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14038&st=&pgnum=56
Quickly review the “גמרא דף יב: “אמר רב יהודה ( two dots on top Amud) until “אמר רב יהודה” (middle of the Amud)
Question:
According to the conclusion of the Gemara, how many mechitzas are required to create a Reshus Hayachid?
Learn רא”ש סוכה פרק א ס’ ט
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=469
Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק י”ז הלכה ט
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=73
Major Question:
The Gemara seems to say clearly that only three walls are necessary to create a Reshus Hayachid. How does the Rambam who rules that four walls are required learn our gemara?
Learn רבינו חננאל on the side of the Gemara for a different way to explain our gemara.
The Gemara asks a question from the machlokes Rebbe Yehuda and the Rabanan in regards to two mechitzos on the two sides of a Reshus Harabim.
What is the question and the answer of the Gemara?
See Rashi
See ריטב”א who asks multiple questions on Rashi
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Learn תוס’ “איתיביה
Is Tosfos explanation the same as Rashi
See ביאור הלכה ס’ שס”ג, א “אסרו חכמים
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&st=&pgnum=55
Major Question on ר”ח and Rambam:
In the answer of the Gemara having three walls and a lechi is considered a Reshus Hayachid. But according to Rava לחי is a היכר why is this Mavui considered a Reshus Hayachid?
Very quickly review גמרא דף מד. “איתמר ר’ יוחנן וריב”ל (eleven lines from bottom of the Amud)
Learn גמרא תמורה דף טז. “גופא אמר רב יהודה (three lines from top of the Amud until the wide lines)
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=34&daf=16&format=pdf
Question:
How could ר’ אבהו answer the contradiction of whether Aravah is a יסוד נביאים or הלכה למשה מסיני when the Gemara Temura clearly says one can not ask through prophecy to be taught forgotten halachos?
See ערוך לנר סוכה דף מד. “וחזרו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=171
Learn חידושי גרי”ז על יומא page 26-27 who says a novel difference between a הלכה למשה מסיני and one that was forgotten and restored by עתניאל בן קנז or other Chachamim
Learn חידושי גרי”ז תמורה טז אות ב who explains a difference between תורה לאו בשמים and אין הנביא רשאי לחדש דבר
Note: The difference between יסוד and מנהג נביאים that Rashi gives.
The Gemara concludes כאן במקדש כאן בגבולין
See how Rashi explains this answer
According to Rashi the נביאים set up the taking of Aravos outside the Beis Hamikdash.
Was this for all seven days of Sukkos or just the last day – Hoshana Rabbah?
Major Question:
The Gemara on מד says that the taking of Aravos on Hoshana Rabbah is זכר למקדש.
But the gemara now says it was a either a יסוד and מנהג נביאים?
See רבינו חננאל (on side of the Gemara) for a different explanation than Rashi
Learn רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ז הלכה כא-כב and מגיד משנה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=287
Major Question:
The Rambam says the mitzvah of Aravah we take on Hoshana Rabbah is both זכר למקדש and מנהג נביאים.
How could it be both?
What compelled the Rambam to give this explanation?
The Rambam seems to offer an entirely new reason than the גמרא מד as to why the mitzvah of Aravah is only one day זכר למקדש?
Learn ערוך לנר for an explanation for the Rambam
Can we offer a different explanation for the Rambam based on the conclusion of the Gemara of כאן במקדש כאן בגבולין?
According to אבא שאול the mitzvah of Aravah in the Beis Hamikdash is learnt from the words ערבי נחל
Learn תוספת דף לד. “ואחת who asks where in the pasuk is it indicated that it’s limited to Beis Hamikdash?
See תוספת ראש
And ערוך לנר
Learn the “גמרא דף יב: “אמר רב יהודה ( two dots on top Amud) until אמר רב יהודה (middle of the Amud)
How many mechitzas are required to create a Reshus Hayachid?
See רא”ש סוכה פרק א ס’ ט
Learn רמב”ם ה’שבת פרק י”ז הלכה ט
Major Question:
The Gemara seems to say clearly that only three walls are necessary to create a Reshus Hayachid. How does the Rambam who rules that four walls are required learn out gemara?
Learn רבינו חננאל on side of the Gemara
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Learn the “גמרא דף יב. “תנו רבנן לשון ים (three lines from bottom of the Amud) until the two dots on top of דף יב עמוד ב
The Gemara concludes in the case חצר נפרצה לים it is prohibited to draw from the water but permitted to carry inside the Chatzer as long as there are גידודי. Rashi explains גידודי is a wall under the water.
Major Question:
If the wall that is being covered by the water is good enough to allow one to carry inside the Chatzer why does it not also allow one to draw from the water?
Learn תוס’ דף יב: “הכא for many different explanations of the Gemara.
Write out all the different explanations of the gemara answer of גידודי
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Quickly review “גמרא דף מד. “איתמר ר’ יוחנן וריב”ל (eleven lines from bottom of the Amud)
Learn “גמרא תמורה דף טז. “גופא אמר רב יהודה (three lines from top of the Amud until the wide lines)
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=34&daf=16&format=pdf
Question:
How could ר’ אבהו answer the contradiction of whether Aravah is a יסוד נביאים or הלכה למשה מסיני when the Gemara Temura clearly says one can not ask through prophecy to be taught forgotten halachos?
See ערוך לנר סוכה דף מד. “וחזרו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=171
Learn חידושי גרי”ז על יומא page 26-27 who says a novel difference between a הלכה למשה מסיני and one that was forgotten and restored by עתניאל בן קנז or other Chachamim
Learn חידושי גרי”ז תמורה טז אות ב who explains a difference between תורה לאו בשמים and אין הנביא רשאי לחדש דבר
Note: The difference between יסוד and מנהג נביאים that Rashi gives.
The Gemara concludes כאן במקדש כאן בגבולין
See how Rashi explains this answer
According to Rashi the נביאים set up the taking of Aravos outside the Beis Hamikdash.
Was this for all seven days of Sukkos or just the last day – Hoshana Rabbah?
Major Question:
The Gemara on מד says that the taking of Aravos on Hoshana Rabbah is זכר למקדש.
But the gemara now says it was a either a יסוד and מנהג נביאים?
See רבינו חננאל (on side of the Gemara) for a different explanation than Rashi
Learn רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ז הלכה כא-כב and מגיד משנה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=287
Major Question:
The Rambam says the mitzvah of Aravah we take on Hoshana Rabbah is both זכר למקדש and מנהג נביאים.
How could it be both?
What compelled the Rambam to give this explanation?
The Rambam seems to offer an entirely new reason than the גמרא מד as to why the mitzvah of Aravah is only one day זכר למקדש?
Learn ערוך לנר for an explanation for the Rambam
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=171
Can we offer a different explanation for the Rambam based on the conclusion of the Gemara of כאן במקדש כאן בגבולין?
According to אבא שאול the mitzvah of Aravah in the Beis Hamikdash is learnt from the words ערבי נחל
Learn “תוספות דף לד. “ואחת who asks where in the pasuk is it indicated that it’s limited to Beis Hamikdash?
See תוספות ראש
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14724&st=&pgnum=60
And ערוך לנר
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=125
Learn the “גמרא דף יב. “רב יוסף (fifth line of the medium sized lines) until the two dots on top of דף יב עמוד ב
Question:
Why does a Chatzer require a different and more stringent תיקון than a Mavui to permit one to carry inside the Chatzer?
Learn שו”ת רשב”א חלק ה ס’ רג
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Learn “תוס’ “בפסי
Learn מהרש”א
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The Gemara concludes in the case חצר נפרצה לים it is prohibited to draw from the water but permitted to carry inside the Chatzer as long as there are גידודי. Rashi explains גידודי is a wall under the water.
Major Question:
If the wall that is being covered by the water is good enough to allow one to carry inside the Chatzer why does it not also allow one to draw from the water?
Learn תוס’ דף יב: “הכא
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