Rabbi Avraham Meisels: Gemara Pesachim – Second Perek – Kol Sha’ah – Daf 32b – Daf 33a: V’Af Rav Pappa Hudur Bei D’Tanya… (08/19/26)
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Conclusion Sugya: טלטול מן הצד
The שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ ח makes a distinction between moving for the purpose of the Muktzah item (prohibited) or for the non Muktza item (permitted) – לצורך דבר המותר או לדבר האסור
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=234
What is the logic of this distinction; Either indirect movement is considered movement or it is not considered movement, how does the intent of the movement affect the permissibility?
There are two approaches to explain this
1. Review שו”ע ס’ ש”ט סע’ ד, with the משנה ברורה ס”ק יד and the שער הציון ס’ ש”ט אות יז who gives a reason for the distinction
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=228
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=229
2. Review חזון איש ס’ מז ס”ק יב-יד who gives a different reason for the distinction and argues on the Shulchan Aruch.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=141
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=142
Moving Muktzah with ones body – טלטול בגופו
The שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ ח also permits טלטול בגופו even for the purpose of the Muktzah item.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=234
Review the רמ”א ס’ ש”ח סע’ ג permits moving Muktzah by blowing it.
and משנה ברורה ס’ ש”ח ס”ק יג which permits טלטול בגופו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=215
The Chazon Ish (above) argues on the leniency of moving Muktzah with one’s body for the purpose of the Muktzah item.
How does the Chazon Ish explain the Mishna which permits moving straw with one’s back?
See תשובה מהגאון ר’ משה פיינשטיין in back of Sefer Muktzah from Rabbi Pinchas Bodner אות לב
See שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק כח הערה נט
Please write a summary (include as sources) of how we conclude lhalacha in regards to
1. Moving Muktzah through טלטול מן הצד
2.The reason it is permitted
3. Moving Muktzah with ones body טלטול בגופו
Learn the גמרא דף מז. “אלא” אמר רבא until דף מז. ” א”ר זירא
Question:
Why is a flame Muktzah?
Learn חזו”א או”ח ס’ מא אות טז
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=126
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=127
There are many questions on the chazon ish explanation
Learn ח’ מנחת שלמה ס’ כה
And אגרות משה אורח חיים ח”ג ס’ נ
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Quickly review תוס’ מי יימר דמיזדקק
What is the difference between the two answers of Tosfos?
Learn ר”ן דף מז
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=591
Learn רשב”א דף קכז: in regards to teruma in the possession of a Yisrael
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40907&st=&pgnum=95
Learn the next תוס’ “מי
Review the גמרא דף מו: “ת”ש נשאלין” (first wide line) until the bottom of the Amud
Continue learning the גמרא דף מז. “אלא” אמר רבא until דף מז. ” א”ר זירא
Question:
Why is a flame Muktzah?
Learn חזו”א או”ח ס’ מא אות טז
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=126
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=127
Conclusion Sugya: טלטול מן הצד
How do we conclude lhalacha in regards to moving Muktzah through טלטול מן הצד?
We learned the שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ א which rules that טלטול מן הצד is prohibited
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=132
See משנה ברורה ס”ק ו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=234
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=235
The שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ ח makes a distinction between moving for the purpose of the Muktzah item (prohibited) or for the non Muktza item (permitted) – לצורך דבר המותר או לדבר האסור
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=234
What is the logic of this distinction; Either indirect movement is considered movement or it is not considered movement, how does the intent of the movement affect the permissibility?
There are two approaches to explain this
1. Review שו”ע ס’ ש”ט סע’ ד, with the משנה ברורה ס”ק יד and the שער הציון ס’ ש”ט אות יז who gives a reason for the distinction
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=228
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=229
2. Review חזון איש ס’ מז ס”ק יב-יד who gives a different reason for the distinction and argues on the Shulchan Aruch.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=141
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=142
Moving Muktzah with ones body – טלטול בגופו
The שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ ח also permits טלטול בגופו even for the purpose of the Muktzah item.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=234
Review the רמ”א ס’ ש”ח סע’ ג permits moving Muktzah by blowing it.
and משנה ברורה ס’ ש”ח ס”ק יג which permits טלטול בגופו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=215
The Chazon Ish (above) argues on the leniency of moving Muktzah with one’s body for the purpose of the Muktzah item.
How does the Chazon Ish explain the Mishna which permits moving straw with one’s back?
See תשובה מהגאון ר’ משה פיינשטיין in back of Sefer Muktzah from Rabbi Pinchas Bodner אות לב
See שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק כח הערה נט
Quickly review the גמרא דף מו: “מתיב רמי בר חמא” (middle of the Amud) until the bottom of the Amud
Question:
Are the fruits that the lady made a promise on Muktzah? Why should they be Muktzah as other people can eat it?
Learn תוס’ מי יימר דמיזדקק
What is the difference between the two answers of Tosfos?
Learn ר”ן דף מז
Learn רשב”א דף קכז: in regards to teruma in the possession of a Yisrael
Learn the next תוס’ “מי
Continue learning the גמרא דף מז. “אלא” אמר רבא until דף מז. ” א”ר זירא
Question:
Why is a flame Muktzah?
Learn חזו”א או”ח ס’ מא אות ט
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Learn the “גמרא דף מו: “רמי ליה until “מתיב רמי בר חמא” (middle of the Amud)
Sugya – יושב ומצפה
Major Question:
If ר”ש does not hold of מיגו דאתקצאי than why does he require the condition of יושב ומצפה?
There is a major machlokes between ר”י & ר”ש if a lantern that was lit at the beginning of Shabbos remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame is extinguished.
This machlokes is contingent on the concept of מיגו דאתקצאי – something which is Muktza during Bein Hashmoshas remains Muktza for the entire Shabbos.
Major Question:
What is the reasoning of מיגו דאתקצאי?
Review the אפיקי ים חלק ב ס’ יט – first two paragraphs.
Why does ר”ש not hold of – מיגו דאתקצאי?
Learn אפיקי ים חלק ב ס’ יט – (page רד bottom of the right column “והנה” for an incredible explanation)
The Gemara brought two opinions in regards to a large container of oil if ר”ש agrees that it is muktza even after the flame goes out.
What is the explanation for their argument?
Learn אפיקי ים חלק ב ס’ יט – (page רד bottom of the left column “ומה נעים” for an incredible explanation.
Learn חזון איש ס’ מא אות ד
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=125&hilite=
Clarify each of their explanations
Learn “רשב”א חולין דף טו “עד כאן לא שרי for his explanation of animal that was slaughtered on Shabbos to feed a sick person
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40907&st=&pgnum=215
New Sugya: טלטול מן הצד
Very quickly review גמרא דף מג: “דא”ר שמואל בר יהודה until the two dots on דף מד.
Learn תוס’ דף מג: “טלטול מן הצד
What’s the conclusion of Tosfos as to when טלטול מן הצד is permitted?
Quickly review רא”ש פרק ג ס’ יט
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=356
What new type of טלטול does the Rosh allow?
Does Tosfos permit this?
Does Rashi permit it?
Learn ריף
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=590
How do we conclude lhalacha?
How do we conclude lhalacha in regards to moving Muktzah through טלטול מן הצד?
Learn שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ א
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=132
and מגן אברהם ס”ק ה
See משנה ברורה ס”ק ו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=234
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=235
Learn שו”ע ס’ ש”ט סע’ ד
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=228
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=229
See משנה ברורה ס”ק יד
and שער הציון ס’ ש”ט אות יז
See שולחן ערוך ס’ ש”ח סע’ ג
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=120
And מגן אברהם ס”ק ז
and משנה ברורה ס”ק יג
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=215
See חזון איש ס’ מז ס”ק יב-יד
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=141
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=142
Learn the גמרא דף מו. “אמר רב יהודה until “דף מו: “רמי ליה
Learn “תוס’ “דנפטא
Questions:
What’s the difference between how Rashi & Tosfos explain why it is prohibited to move a שרגא דנפטא?
Why are sticks and stones Muktza even according to ר”ש?
Are there items which are not Keilim which are not Muktzah?
Continue learning the גמרא דף מו: “רמי ליה until “מתיב רמי בר חמא” (middle of the Amud)
Quickly review the “גמרא דף מו. “א”ר יהושע בן לוי” … “הורה במנורה כר”ש בנר (middle of the Amud) until “אמר רב יהודה” (first wide line)
Clarify the two options the gemara presents in how to interpret the line הורה במנורה כר”ש בנר
Learn “תוס’ “הורה until “ואם תאמר”
Learn ריטב”א who clarifies further.
Clarify Tosfos answer as to why we don’t have a third possible interpretation?
Review the “גמרא דף מו. “אמר רב יהודה until the end of the Amud
Learn “תוס’ “דנפטא
Questions:
What’s the difference between how Rashi & Tosfos explain why it is prohibited to move a שרגא דנפטא?
Why are sticks and stones Muktza even according to ר”ש?
Are there items which are not Keilim which are not Muktzah
Review the גמרא דף מו. “ומי אמר ר’ יוחנן (eight lines from top of Amud) until “אמר רב יהודה (first wide line)
Clarify the two options the gemara presents in how to interpret the line הורה במנורה כר”ש בנר
Learn תוס’ “הורה until “ואם תאמר”
Clarify Tosfos answer as to why we don’t have a third possible interpretation?
Continue learning the גמרא דף מו. “אמר רב יהודה until the end of the Amud
Learn תוס’ “דנפטא
What’s the difference between how Rashi & Tosfos explain why it is prohibited to move a שרגא דנפטא?
Why are sticks and stones Muktza even according to ר”ש?
Are there items which are not Keilim which are not Muktzah?
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