R’ Raphi Gottesman: Morning Kollel – גמרא שבת – Sugya of Muktza – בסיס (07/12/26)
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Very quickly review the גמרא דף מה. “אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל (15 lines from bottom of the Amud) until דף מה: “ורבי לית ליה מוקצה (third line).
Continue learning the גמרא דף מה: “ורבי לית ליה מוקצה (third line) until “אמר רבה בר בר חנה”
Question:
Why would ר”ש agree that certain herding animals are muktzah and may not be slaughtered on Yom Tov? How are they similar to גרוגרות וצימוקים?
Summarize
Review חזון איש ס’ מד אות ו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=137&hilite=
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Summarize the three different explanations we have as to why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל
Learn גמרא דף מג: “אמר לנו רב ששת (middle of the Amud) until איתמר (nine lines before the wide lines)
How do we conclude lhalacha?
Is it permitted to be מבטל כלי מהיכנו?
Do we rule like ר’ יצחק that אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל ?
Learn רי”ף דף קנ”ד: “הגיע לחצר חיצונה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=682
Learn ר”ן
Conclusion L’Halacha
How do we conclude lhalacha?
Is it permitted to be מבטל כלי מהיכנו?
Do we rule like ר’ יצחק that אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל ?
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Learn גמרא דף מג. “תא שמע פורסין מחצלת (third line from bottom of the Amud) until דף מג: “אמר לנו רב ששת (middle of the Amud)
There are two ways to explain the Gemara question on ר”ש
See רש'”י דף מג: אי ר”ש
See גליון הש”ס on רש'”י דף מג: אי ר”ש
See רש”י ביצה דף לו. “במאי
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=8&daf=36&format=pdf
Learn בעל המאור
How does the בעל המאור explain the reason as to why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל?
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=588
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=589
How is it possible to have an item which is Muktzah but still permitted to be moved?
Summarize the three different explanations we have as to why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל
According to ר’ יצחק is one permitted to cover chometz found on Pesach with a Kli?
Learn גמרא פסחים דף ו. “אמר רב יהודה אמר רב (second wide line) until אמר רבא (next line)
See Rashi
Learn תוס’ “כופה
Question:
See קובץ שיעורים פסחים אות כד who asks
Why is it considered moving the bowl for the purpose of the chometz – muktzah, the purpose for moving the bowl to cover the chometz is for the person to prevent him from accidentally eating it?
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Question:
How do we conclude l’halacha regarding a condition to use an item which is currently unusable when Shabbos starts?
Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ רע”ט סע’ ד and משנה ברורה
And שולחן ערוך ס’ תרל”ח סע’ ב
Question:
Why does the רמ”א who says the Minhag is not to rely on a condition agree that a condition works for Sukkah decorations?
Review the גמרא דף מה. “אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל (15 lines from bottom of the Amud) until “בעי מיניה (last line of the Amud)
Question:
Why are other fruits that were placed on a rooftop to dry out, not Muktzah according to ר”ש?
Learn תוס’ “אלא” & “וכן
How is Tosfos different then Rashi?
What is a classic case of לא דחייה בידים?
Learn תוס’ “היכא
Review תוס’ דף מה. “אלא starting from “תימה לר”י
Tosfos does not answer his question.
Learn תוס’ רא”ש & ח’ רמב”ן for two answers.
Continue learning the גמרא דף מה.”בעי מיניה (last line of the Amud) until דף מה: “ורבי לית ליה מוקצה (third line)
Questions:
Why are פצעילי תמרה not Muktzah according to ר”ש? How are they different then גרוגרות וצימוקים?
What is the reason that ר”ש agrees that גרוגרות וצימוקים are Muktzah?
At what point do they become Muktzah? – the second Shabbos starts even if they are still edible, or only after they become inedible?
If when Shabbos started they were not ripe and in the middle of Shabbos they became edible, may one eat them?
Learn חזון איש ס’ מז אות ו
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When and where does a תנאי – condition help to make an item not Muktzah?
Learn “תוס’ “ואם that a condition only works by סוכה רעועה
Learn “תוס’ דף מד. “שבנר
Learn ר”ן דף מד. “והא דמסקינן and ח’ ר”ן דף מה who brings the opinion of the רמב”ן that a תנאי – condition always works.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=591
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40873&st=&pgnum=57
See בית יוסף ס’ רע”ט who brings the opinion of the ריב”ש that a condition does not work.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14265&st=&pgnum=469
Continue learning the גמרא דף מה. “אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל (15 lines from bottom of the Amud) until “בעי מיניה (last line of the Amud)
Learn תוס’ “אלא”, “וכן” & “היכא
What is the reason that ר”ש agrees that גרוגרות וצימוקים are Muktzah?
At what point do they become Muktzah? – the second Shabbos starts even if they are still edible, or only after they become inedible?
If when Shabbos started they were not ripe and in the middle of Shabbos they became edible, may one eat them?
See חזון איש ס’ מז אות ו
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Quickly review the גמרא דף מג. “ר’ יצחק אמר until תא שמע (third wide line)
Questions:
Does the Halacha of ר’ יצחק apply to food?
Learn ח’ רא”ה ביצה דף לו. “”והא דאמר” – מותר ליטול אוכל לדבר שאינו ניטל who says it does not apply to food
Learn רשב”א ביצה דף לו. “הא who argues on the רא”ה that it does apply.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=32312&st=&pgnum=67
What is the reason of ר’ יצחק why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל?
If it is an extension of the prohibition of Muktza why should it not apply to food?
Learn אור זרוע ה’ ערב שבת אות ל”ז who gives a reason.
Learn גמרא דף מג. “תא שמע פורסין מחצלת (third line from bottom of the Amud) until דף מג: “אמר לנו רב ששת (middle of the Amud)
There are two ways to explain the Gemara question on ר”ש
See רש'”י דף מג: אי ר”ש
See גליון הש”ס on רש'”י דף מג: אי ר”ש
See רש”י ביצה דף לו. “במאי
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=8&daf=36&format=pdf
Learn בעל המאור
How does the בעל המאור explain the reason as to why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל?
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=588
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=589
How is it possible to have an item which is Muktzah but still permitted to be moved?
Summarize the three different explanations we have as to why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל
According to ר’ יצחק is one permitted to cover chometz found on Pesach with a Kli?
Learn גמרא פסחים דף ו. “אמר רב יהודה אמר רב (second wide line) until אמר רבא (next line)
See Rashi
Learn תוס’ “כופה
Question:
See קובץ שיעורים פסחים אות כד who asks
Why is it considered moving the bowl for the purpose of the chometz – muktzah, the purpose for moving the bowl to cover the chometz is for the person to prevent him from accidentally eating it?
Which oil from a lantern is Muktzah according to ר”ש ?
Quickly review תוס’ דף מה. “אלא
See צל”ח דף מד. על רש'”י “חוץ מן הנר
https://www.sefaria.org/Tziyyun_LeNefesh_Chayyah_on_Shabbat.44a.4?lang=en
When and where does a תנאי – condition help to make an item not Muktzah?
Learn תוס’ “ואם that a condition only works by סוכה רעועה
And see תוס’ דף מד. “שבנר
Learn ר”ן דף מד. “והא דמסקינן and ח’ ר”ן דף מה who brings the opinion of the רמב”ן that a תנאי – condition always works.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=591
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40873&st=&pgnum=57
See בית יוסף ס’ רע”ט who brings the opinion of the ריב”ש that a condition does not work.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14265&st=&pgnum=469
Continue learning the גמרא דף מה. “אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל (15 lines from bottom of the Amud) until “בעי מיניה (last line of the Amud)
Learn תוס’ “אלא”, “וכן” & “היכא
Review the גמרא דף מה. “א”ל אין מוקצה לר”ש אלא שמן שבנר until “אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל אין מוקצה לר”ש אלא גרוגרות וצימוקים
Which oil from a lantern is Muktzah according to ר”ש ?
Learn תוס’ “אלא
See צל”ח דף מד. על רש'”י “חוץ מן הנר
https://www.sefaria.org/Tziyyun_LeNefesh_Chayyah_on_Shabbat.44a.4?lang=en
What’s the Gemara conclusion as to why ר”ש agrees that the oil from lantern is Muktzah?
See Rashi
Learn ח’ ריטב”א
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&st=&pgnum=208
When and where does a תנאי – condition help to make an item not Muktzah?
Learn תוס’ “ואם that a condition only works by סוכה רעועה
And see תוס’ דף מד. “שבנר
Learn ר”ן דף מד. “והא דמסקינן and ח’ ר”ן דף מה who brings the opinion of the רמב”ן that a תנאי – condition always works.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=591
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40873&st=&pgnum=57
See בית יוסף ס’ רע”ט who brings the opinion of the ריב”ש that a condition does not work.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14265&st=&pgnum=469
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Quickly review the גמרא דף מג. “ר’ יצחק אמר until תא שמע (third wide line)
Questions:
Does רבה & רב יוסף agree with each other?
What about ר’ יצחק & רב יוסף?
Learn תוס’ “ושני
Whom do we conclude lhalacha?
Does the Halacha of ר’ יצחק apply to food?
Learn ח’ רא”ה ביצה דף לו. “”והא דאמר” – מותר ליטול אוכל לדבר שאינו ניטל who says it does not apply to food
Learn רשב”א ביצה דף לו. “הא who argues on the רא”ה that it does apply.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=32312&st=&pgnum=67
What is the reason of ר’ יצחק why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל?
If it is an extension of the prohibition of Muktza why should it not apply to food?
Learn אור זרוע ה’ ערב שבת אות ל”ז who gives a reason.
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