Quickly review the גמרא דף לט. “ולא יטמיננה בחול (two dots – middle of the Amud) until the bottom of the Amud
Question:
There is a machlokes as to why ר’ יוסי agrees it is forbidden to submerge an egg in hot sand on Shabbos.
Are these reasons mutually exclusive? If yes. Yes?
Learn תוס’ “ואין
Learn תוס’ “אלא
We rule lhalacha like the Rabanan, why does the Gemara spend time explaining the opinion of ר’ יוסי. What relevance does it have?
Learn the גמרא דף לט. “ולא יטמיננה בחול (two dots – middle of the Amud) until the bottom of the Amud
Learn תוס’ “ואין
Learn תוס’ “אלא
Source Sheets:
Bava Metzia 2a with Tosfos dh Viyachloku and Tosfos dh ViZeh Noteil Rivia sheet
Click on Right Side of Player to Download the Shiur
Review גמרא דף לט. “ולא יפקיענה בסודרין (five lines from top of the Amud) until “ולא יטמיננה בחול (next set of two dots)
See רש”י דף לט. “דשרי who says the reason it is permitted to cook something directly from the sun is because “אין דרך בישול בכך”
Major Question:
We have a rule in הלכות שבת when a melacha is performed in an abnormal way it is exempt from Torah violation however it is still prohibited מדרבנן. So how could it be permitted to cook directly from the heat of the sun?
There are prohibitions of cooking in regards to other halachos. For example – cooking meat and milk together, cooking the Korban Pesach.
If someone were to cook in the sun or a product that was heated by the sun would they be transgressing that prohibition?
See גמרא פסחים דף מא. “אמר רב חסדא המבשל (ten lines from bottom of the Amud) in regards to cooking the קרבן פסח in חמי טבריא.
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=4&daf=41&format=pdf
See רמב”ם ה’ מאכלות אסורות פרק ט הלכה ו in regards to cooking meat and milk together in חמי טבריא
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58960&st=&pgnum=133
Learn אגלי טל מלאכת אופה ס”ק מד
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&st=&pgnum=264
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&st=&pgnum=265
Learn אגרות משה או”ח חלק ג ס’ נב who gives a different explanation than the אגלי טל
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=919&st=&pgnum=351
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=919&st=&pgnum=352
Based on the above would cooking in a microwave be a violation from the Torah, Drabanan, or permitted barring the operation of electric appliance on Shabbos
See שו”ת מנחת שלמה קמא ס’ יב הערה ו & ז for a new explanation different than the אגלי טל and אגרות משה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=15096&st=&pgnum=149
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=15096&st=&pgnum=150
Learn גמרא דף לט. “ולא יפקיענה בסודרין (five lines from top of the Amud) until “ולא יטמיננה בחול (next set of two dots)
Question:
Why is it permitted to cook directly from the heat of the sun?
See רש”י דף לט. “דשרי who says “דאין דרך בישול בכך
Major Question:
We have a rule in ה’ שבת when a melacha is performed in an abnormal way it is exempt from Torah violation however it is still prohibited מדרבנן. Why is it permitted to cook directly from the heat of the sun?
Learn אגלי טל מלאכת אופה ס”ק מד
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&st=&pgnum=264
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&st=&pgnum=265
Learn אגרות משה או”ח חלק ג ס’ נב
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=919&st=&pgnum=351
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=919&st=&pgnum=352
If someone cooks the קרבן פסח in חמי טבריא did they violate the prohibition of cooking קרבן פסח in water?
See גמרא פסחים דף מא
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=4&daf=41&format=pdf
If someone cooks meat and milk together in חמי טבריא did they violate the prohibition of cooking בשר בחלב?
See רמב”ם ה’ מאכלות אסורות פרק ט הלכה ו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58960&st=&pgnum=133
Based on the above would cooking in a microwave be a violation from the Torah, Drabanan, or permitted barring the operation of electric appliance on Shabbos
See שו”ת מנחת שלמה קמא ס’ יב הערה ו & ז for a new explanation different than the אגלי טל and אגרות משה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=15096&st=&pgnum=149
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=15096&st=&pgnum=150
Halachic conclusion הלכות שהייה
How do we conclude lhalacha? Do we rule like Rabanan or like Chanania?
Review שולחן ערוך ס’ רנ”ג סע’ א which brings two opinions.
Question:
According to which opinion does the מחבר conclude?
Bring a proof
Learn the Mishna Berura
Is the רמ”א concluding the halcha is in accordance with Chanania or saying that if one follows the accepted Minhag like Chanania it is Ok, but really should follow like Rabanan?
Learn ביאור הלכה “ונהגו להקל כסברא אחרונה And הגהות חזון איש on the ביאור הלכה who argue what is the ruling of the רא”ש
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=45
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=46
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=47
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=48
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=49
Questions:
Can one rinse an uncooked food by pouring directly on it from a כלי ראשון?
Can one soak an uncooked food in a כלי שני?
Learn תוס’ דף לט. “כל who brings a major machlokes Rishonim as to the status of עירוי כלי ראשון
Learn גמרא דף לט. “ולא יפקיענה בסודרין (five lines from top of the Amud) until “ולא יטמיננה בחול (next set of two dots)
Question:
Why is it permitted to cook directly from the heat of the sun?
See רש”י דף לט. “דשרי who says “דאין דרך בישול בכך
Major Question:
We have a rule in ה’ שבת when a melacha is performed in an abnormal way it is exempt from Torah violation however it is still prohibited מדרבנן. Why is it permitted to cook directly from the heat of the son?
Learn אגלי טל מלאכת אופה ס”ק מד
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&st=&pgnum=264
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&st=&pgnum=265
Learn אגרות משה או”ח חלק ג ס’ נב
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=919&st=&pgnum=351
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=919&st=&pgnum=352
If someone cooks the קרבן פסח in חמי טבריא did they violate the prohibition of cooking קרבן פסח in water?
See גמרא פסחים דף מא
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=4&daf=41&format=pdf
If someone cooks meat and milk together in חמי טבריא did they violate the prohibition of cooking בשר בחלב?
See רמב”ם ה’ מאכלות אסורות פרק ט הלכה ו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58960&st=&pgnum=133
Source Sheets:
Bava Metzia 2a with Tosfos dh Viyachloku and Tosfos dh ViZeh Noteil Rivia sheet
Questions:
Can one soak an uncooked food in a כלי שני?
Can one rinse an uncooked food by pouring directly on it from a כלי ראשון?
Learn תוס’ דף לט. “כל
The Mishna gave a rule that if a food was cooked before Shabbos it is permitted to soak it in hot water of a כלי ראשון on Shabbos to reheat the food.
Is it permitted if the food originally was just soaked in a כלי ראשון and not cooked over a fire?
See Rashi on the משנה דף קמה עמ’ ב
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=2&daf=145b&format=pdf
Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק כב הלכה ח
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=100
Based on what we learnt how should one prepare tea on Shabbos
Learn the משנה ברורה ס’ שי”ח ס”ק לט
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=275
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Halachic conclusion הלכות שהייה
How do we conclude lhalacha? Do we rule like Rabanan or like Chanania?
Complete learning the רא”ש פרק ג’ ס’ א who presents a lengthy discussion on the different opinions and how we conclude lhalacha.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=350
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=351
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=352
The רא”ש first brings the ruling of the רי”ף who rules like the Rabanan and all of the proofs of the רי”ף. (We went through most of those proofs when we learnt the רי”ף) The רא”ש then brings the opinion of רש”י and the ר”י who rules like Chanania.
The רא”ש then quotes the בעל המאור who also rules like Chanania and refutes all the proofs of the רי”ף (we learnt some of the refutations in the ר”ן)
The רא”ש then brings ר’ יהודה הברצלוני & שאילתות דרב אחאי גאון who rule like the רי”ף and goes through each refutation of the בעל המאור and explains why it is not a valid refutation.
In conclusion the רא”ש says “ובשביל שרבו דעות בהאי פיסקא “
Questions:
What is the רא”ש halachic conclusion? Does he rule like Chanania or really rules like the Rabanan just says one can not object to those who follow the ruling of Chanania?
Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה ד
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=16
Does the Rambam rule like the Rabanan or like Chanania?
How do we conclude lhalacha?
Learn שולחן ערוך ס’ רנ”ג סע’ א which brings two opinions how to rule.
According to which opinion does the מחבר conclude?
Bring a proof
Learn Mishna Berura
Is the רמ”א concluding to like Chanania or saying that if one follows the accepted Minhag like Chanania it is Ok, but really should follow like Rabanan?
Learn ביאור הלכה “ונהגו להקל כסברא אחרונה And הגהות חזון איש on the ביאור הלכה who argue what is the ruling of the רא”ש
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=45
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=46
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=47
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=48
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=49
Review the final conclusion of the משנה ברורה ס’ שי”ח ס”ק לז and ביאור הלכה “והדחתן why it is permitted to soak or rinse an inedible salty fish in order to make it edible and not be in violation of מכה בפטיש.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=274
Questions:
Does Rashi understand the violation of rinsing an old salted fish with hot water is בישול or מכה בפטיש?
Bring a proof from Rashi
Can one soak an uncooked food in a כלי שני?
Can one rinse an uncooked food by pouring directly on it from a כלי ראשון?
Learn תוס’ דף לט. “כל
The Mishna gave a rule that if a food was cooked before Shabbos it is permitted to soak it in hot water of a כלי ראשון on Shabbos to reheat the food.
Is it permitted if the food originally was just soaked in a כלי ראשון and not cooked over a fire?
See Rashi on the משנה דף קמה עמ’ ב
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=2&daf=145b&format=pdf
Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק כב הלכה ח
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=100
Questions:
What melacha of Shabbos is a person violating when rinsing old salted fish and Spanish mackerel?
Is it permitted to rinse old salted fish and Spanish mackerel with cold water to help make it edible?
We learnt the פרי מגדים אשל אברהם ס”ק טז & לבוש ס’ שי”ח סע’ ד who says it is prohibited as it is considered מכה בפטיש
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9223&st=&pgnum=54
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&st=&pgnum=203
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=154
Review משנה ברורה ס’ שי”ח ס”ק לז and ביאור הלכה “והדחתן and see the proofs he brings that there is no מכה בפטיש on food.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=274
Bring a proof from Rashi
Learn תוס’ דף לט. “כל
Halachic conclusion הלכות שהייה
How do we conclude lhalacha? Do we rule like Rabanan or like Chanania?
Complete learning the רא”ש פרק ג’ ס’ א who presents a lengthy discussion on the different opinions and how we conclude lhalacha.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=350
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=351
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=352
The רא”ש first brings the ruling of the רי”ף who rules like the Rabanan and all of the proofs of the רי”ף. (We went through most of those proofs when we learnt the רי”ף) The רא”ש then brings the opinion of רש”י and the ר”י who rules like Chanania.
The רא”ש then quotes the בעל המאור who also rules like Chanania and refutes all the proofs of the רי”ף (we learnt some of the refutations in the ר”ן)
The רא”ש then brings ר’ יהודה הברצלוני & שאילתות דרב אחאי גאון who rule like the רי”ף and goes through each refutation of the בעל המאור and explains why it is not a valid refutation.
In conclusion the רא”ש says “ובשביל שרבו דעות בהאי פיסקא “
Questions:
What is the רא”ש halachic conclusion? Does he rule like Chanania or really rules like the Rabanan just says one can not object to those who follow the ruling of Chanania?
Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה ד
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=16
Does the Rambam rule like the Rabanan or like Chanania?
How do we conclude lhalacha?
Learn שולחן ערוך ס’ רנ”ג סע’ א which brings two opinions how to rule.
According to which opinion does the מחבר conclude?
Bring a proof
Learn Mishna Berura
Is the רמ”א concluding to like Chanania or saying that if one follows the accepted Minhag like Chanania it is Ok, but really should follow like Rabanan?
Learn ביאור הלכה “ונהגו להקל כסברא אחרונה And הגהות חזון איש on the ביאור הלכה who argue what is the ruling of the רא”ש
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=45
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=46
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=47
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=48
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=49
Source Sheets:
Bava Metzia 2a with Tosfos dh Viyachloku and Tosfos dh ViZeh Noteil Rivia sheet
Click on Right Side of Player to Download the Shiur
Questions:
What melacha of Shabbos is a person violating when rinsing old salted fish and Spanish mackerel?
Is it permitted to rinse old salted fish and Spanish mackerel with cold water to help make it edible?
Learn ט”ז ס’ שי”ח ס”ק ה’ & פרי מגדים אשל אברהם ס”ק טז & לבוש ס’ שי”ח סע’ ד
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9223&st=&pgnum=54
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&st=&pgnum=203
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=154
Learn משנה ברורה ס’ שי”ח ס”ק לו and ביאור הלכה “חוץ & “והדחתן
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=274
Why or why not?
Bring a proof from Rashi
Learn תוס’ דף לט. “כל