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Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Monday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 30B to 31A: Mishna Aizo Hee Aveida and Gemara Utoo
We will be be”H be covering alot of ground this week.
Learn Mishna 30b & Gemara until two dots on 31a. Learn Last 3 lines of Tosfos 25b “V’im” & first half of the Rosh on Mishna 25b “Matza”
Questions; when Braisa 31a says if something is placed for 3 days one can assume its lost does that apply to items placed near a fence as well? See First Rashba 31a. What is the conclusion of the gemara in regards to Hashovas aveida on land? Ritva “Mahu”
Point to ponder; According to Rava when the torah includes Hoshavas aveida on land is that just for the prohibition of “Lo suchal Lihisalem” or also for the Mitzva of ” Hashev Teshiveim”?
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Wednesday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 30B: DiTanee Reb Yosef (07/11/2012)
Learn Gemara 30B “Dtani Rav Yosef ” (5 lines before the 2 dots) until the Mishna Tosfos “Lo”
Question; Are Bikur Cholim, Nichum Aveilim, & Gemilas Chesed Biblical or Rabbinic Mitzvos? (Rambam Hilchos Aveilus perek 14 halacha 1)
Learn Mishna & Gemara until bottom of the Amud
Point to ponder; Is the exemption of a Zaken to return an aveida that is beneath his dignity A) an exemption because of human dignity. Or B) an exclusion in the obligation of hashevas aveida? Bring proofs
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Monday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 30B Amar Rava Kol Shebishelo Machzir (07/09/2012)
Shiur #3 Exemption to return an Avieda if its beneath ones dignity (Mon night)
Learn Gemara 30b “Amar Rava” (11 lines from top) until the 2 dots
Question; Why did Rav Yishmael B’Reb Yose make this item hefker? Learn 1st line of Tosfos “Afkera”
Question on Tosfos; Why couldn’t Rav Yishmael B’Reb Yose just give everyone permission to use it without making it hefker?
Learn Rosh Siman 21 “Vhachachom .. (in middle of the Siman) says if a Zaken wants to go “lifnim mshuras hadin” he should pay the person for the aveida since he has no right to degrade the honor of torah. Question on the Rosh;
Why is doing the mitzva itself the greatest honor for Torah? (Biur Halacha Siman 250 Hilchos Shabbos “ki”)
Point to ponder; Is the exemption of a Zaken to return an aveida that is beneath his dignity A) an exemption because of human dignity. Or B) an exclusion in the obligation of hashevas aveida? Bring proofs
Continue learning Gemara until the Mishna
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Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Wednesday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 30B: Ella LiZakein.. (07/04/2012)
Learn Gemara 30B “Ela” (2nd line from top of Amud) until “Amar Rava” (11 lines from top)
Central point; Why if a Zaken hits a lost animal is he now obligated to return it? What happened to the exemption that it is not respectable for him?
What’s the halacha if a Zaken kicks an inanimate object?
Rashi “Hikisha”, Very important learn Gemara Bava Basra top of 88a & Rashbam “Diankata Nigrei Braisa”, Rosh Bava Metzia Siman 21, Ritva “Hikisha”
Major Question on the safek of the Gemara; The Gemara entertains a thought that one would only be obligated in the field and would not have to continue in the city but that is contradictory to what we just concluded that once a Zaken starts he has to finish?
Continue learning the Gemara until the 2 dots
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Monday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 27B to 28A Ella Ha DiTnan (04/30/2012)
Learn Gemara 27b from “Ella ha DiTnan” (5 lines from bottom) until 28a “Ella Amar Rava” Question; What changed from the question to the answer regarding returning a bundle of shtaros? Learn Gemara 28a “Ella Amar Rava” until Mishna. Question; Is the proof from bundle of Shtaros a conclusive proof that Simanim are acceptable according to the Torah or not? Rosh Siman 13, Ritva 28a “Ella”
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Wednesday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 27B Amar Rava (04/25/2012).
Learn Gemara 27b from “Amar Rava” (middle of the wide lines) until 28a “Ella Amar Rava”. Basic Questions 1) A. Why did the gemara initially think that the interest of the finder has any relevance? B. After the Gemara’s response that it is in the best interest of the owner of the item, does that imply that the interest of the finder is no longer relevant? Ritva “Amar Rava” 2) How could the Gemara say the Takana Drabanan applies by Siman Muvhak when the Gemara 18b said clearly that Siman Muvhak is an acceptable Siman from the Torah? Tosfos “Vana” 3) Why would the loser of an item agree to have it returned based on Simanim yet would not want this to be so by a lost Shtar (document)? Ritva “Nicha”
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Monday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 27B Ta Shema (04/16/2012)
Monday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 27B Ta Shema
Learn 1) Gemara 27b 3rd Ta Shma “Vhaya” until 1st wide line “Leima Ktanai” 2) Tosfos “Dorshuhu” 3) Major Question; If we are worried an object was lent and therefore do not accept Simanim there should never be a case that one could return an item since we should be concerned even if the claimant can give proper identification that the item was once his but was subsequently sold or gifted? Ritva 27a “Keilav” 4) Question; Why does the Gemara not bring a proof from the Mishna on 20a and 24b that we are not worried items were lent? See end of Tosfos 20b “Matza”, Rosh end of First Perek Siman 50
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Wednesday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 27B Chaishinan (4/18/2012)
Wednesday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 27B Chaishinan
1) Major Question; If we are worried an object was lent and therefore do not accept Simanim there should never be a case that one could return an item since we should be concerned even if the claimant can give proper identification that the item was once his but was subsequently sold or gifted? Ritva 27a “Keilav” 2) Question; Why does the Gemara not bring a proof from the Mishna on 20a and 24b that we are not worried items were lent? See end of Tosfos 20b “Matza”, Rosh end of First Perek Siman 50. 3) Learn Gemara 27b 3rd 1st wide line “Leima Ktanai” until “Amar Rava” 4) Fundemental Question (Chakira); What is the reason Simanim would not be accepted according to the Torah? Is it because we are concerned A. the person is lying, or B. there is another item with exactly the same Siman therefore the Siman is not conclusive proof to whom is the real owner? Bring a proof
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Monday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 27B Laima KiTanaee
1) Learn Gemara 27b 3rd 1st wide line “Leima Ktanai” until “Amar Rava” 2) Fundamental Question (Chakira); What is the reason Simanim would not be accepted according to the Torah? Is it because we are concerned A. the person is lying, or B. there is another item with exactly the same Siman therefore the Siman is not conclusive proof to whom is the real owner? Bring a proof. 3) Continue the Gemara from “Amar Rava” until bottom of the Amud. 4) Tosfos “Viana”
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim’s Monday Night Gemara Shiur (12/19/2011)
Important question; According to Rav Chanina if one finds three coins of equal size stacked one on top of each other he may keep them because maybe they fell in this fashion. How could this be? We rule by Safek Hinuach one is not permitted to keep the item, how do we know conclusively that someone did not intentionally stacked the coins this way?
Learn 1) Gemara 25a “Mai Machriz” (5 lines before bottom of page) until “Bai R’ Yirmiya” 2) In conclusion is identifying how the coins were placed an acceptable Siman? (Learn Chidushei Ran, Ritva) 3) If one identifies the place where the coins were found an acceptable Siman? (Learn Tosfos “Vhu”) Question; Why is the number 2 not an acceptable Siman of Minyan?