Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah – Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Monday night shiur, Elul 24, Daf 36b (09/19/22)

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Review the משנה דף לו עמוד ב and the Gemara until “אמרו לו” (second to last line of the Amud)

Questions on רבי יהודה:

The Anshei Yerushalayim had two bindings around their Lulav. The real binding was למטה. What does למטה mean in this case; beneath or underneath?

Why isn’t the second binding of the golden strap an issue of בל תוסיף?
See רש”י על המשנה “במינו אוגדין and רא”ש ס’ כד “אין אוגדין https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=480

Does one have to have specific intent for the golden strap to be placed for beauty in order for it not to be an issue of בל תוסיף?

Does it matter which one was placed first?
See מאירי “אמר לו ר’ יהודה (paragraph אמר) https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&st=&pgnum=96

See “שפת אמת “במינו https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14522&st=&pgnum=198

Questions:
According to ר”מ/רבנן who hold לולב אין צורך אגד why is one not in violation by using different material to bind the Lulav?
Learn “תוספות דף לא: “הואיל https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&daf=31b&format=pdf
Learn ר”ן דף טז: דפי הריף “דתניא until the two dots on top of דף יז for a different explanation than Tosfos

Tosfos says that in order to transgress בל תוסיף the extra item has to be held דרך גדילתו – in the direction that it grows. According to ר”מ why is it permitted to bind the Lulav with gold band as gold doesn’t grow from the ground so should not be limited to דרך גדילתו?
See רש”ש

Learn רא”ש פרק שלישי ס’ כד בגמרא starting from וכל הני שיעורים ” https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=478