We discussed an argument between the מרדכי and the ש”ך The (מרדכי (פסחים פרק שני אות תקמז derives from the prohibition to smell the Haddasim that it is only forbidden to smell איסורי הנאה whose primary function are to produce a nice fragrance. But if scent is not the primary function than it is permitted to smell them as we apply the rule דייט לאו מילתא https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14315&st=&pgnum=421
The ש”ך יו”ד ס’ ק”ח ס”ק כז disagrees and says that our Gemara implies the opposite. Only in regards to muktza is it permitted to smell the item if it’s primary function is not for smell. But for איסורי הנאה it is prohibited to derive pleasure from their fragrance regardless of their primary or secondary purpose. https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&st=&pgnum=513
Questions: What is the point of disagreement between the מרדכי and the ש”ך? The מרדכי – Special drasha that the Daled minim are consecrated to Hashem. The ש”ך – They are designated for a mitzvah.
See “רש”י “אסור להריח Questions: Why does Rashi list both the reason of חל שם שמים – איסור הנאה and מוקצה?
Continue learning the גמרא דף לז: “ואמר רבה הדס במחובר until the Mishna
Questions: Did someone who mistakenly held the Lulav in the left hand and Esrog in the right hand fulfill the Mitzvah of Daled Minim? Does he need to pick the Daled minim up again in the correct hand? See the גמרא מב. “אמר אביי כשהפכו and רש”י an רבינו חננאל “א”ר אמי
Learn the מאירי And מגן אברהם ס’ תרנ”א ס”ק ט How do we rule lhalacha? See שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ג and משנה ברורה ס”ק יט
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Learn the גמרא דף לז: “ואמר רבה הדס של מצוה (eight lines from top of the Amud) until “ואמר רבה הדס במחובר”
Question: What is the reason it is prohibited to smell the haddasim?
Special drasha that the Daled minim are consecrated to Hashem
They are designated for a mitzvah.
See “רש”י “אסור להריח
Learn גמרא דף ט. “דאמר רב ששת (fourth mine of the Gemara) until ובית שמאי Learn תוספת דף ט. “מנין Clarify the two explanations of Tosfos as to when there is a drasha from the Torah prohibiting the use of schach and when we need the takana drabanan of muktza.
Questions:
How does Rashi extrapolate the prohibition of smelling the haddasim from schach which has a special drasha? If the source for the prohibition is the drasha then why is it permitted to smell an Esrog?
See מרדכי גמרא פסחים פרק שני אות תקמ”ז who derives a halacha in all איסורי הנאה from our Gemara
We are going to learn a lot of Gemara today Quickly review the “גמרא דף ג: “אמר אביי ( two dots) until “אמת כלאים באמה בת ששה” Continue learning the Gemara until the two dots on דף ד
We are going to learn a lot of Gemara today Learn the “גמרא דף ג: “א”ל רב פפא (top of the Amud) until the two dots. Continue learning the Gemara until ורבא (second to last line of the Amud)
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Review the גמרא דף לז: “ואמר רבה (three lines from top of the Amud) until ואמר רבה הדס של מצוה
Questions: Rabbah and Rava disagree when there’s a separated leaf from the haddasim or Aravos whether it is considered a חציצה What is the additional chiddush in the argument betwéen Rabbah and Rava by the case of the cut off leaves of the Lulav? Why does the Rif and Rambam not bring the halacha of the case of cutting off the bottom of the lulav when it’s inside the bundle? Learn Aruch L’Ner for an answer https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=143
Why would a separated leaf stuck between Hadas and Lulav be a Chatzitza? Earlier we only discussed a chatzitza between one’s hand and the daled minim, where is the source that the daled minim needs to be stuck together without a separation? See Rashash https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=514
Would the answer to this question differ based on the machlokes between Tosfos and the Ran regarding what is the disqualification in all the cases of Rabbah and Rava. (Tosfos- חציצה, Ran- lack of לקיחה תמה)? Bring a proof from Rashi what the issue is.
According to Rabbah would one be inquired to inspect that there are no detached leaves stuck between his lulav and haddas ?
Learn the גמרא דף לז: “ואמר רבה הדס של מצוה (eight lines from top of the Amud) until “ואמר רבה הדס במחובר”
Question: What is the source for the prohibition of smelling the haddasim? See “רש”י “אסור להריח Learn גמרא דף ט. “דאמר רב ששת (fourth line of the Gemara) until ובית שמאי Learn תוספת דף ט. “מנין Clarify the two explanations of Tosfos as to when there is a drasha from the Torah prohibiting the use of schach and when we need the takana drabanan of muktza.
Questions: How does Rashi extrapolate the prohibition of smelling the haddasim from schach which has a special drasha? If the source for the prohibition is the drasha then why is it permitted to smell an Esrog?
Is it permitted to smell haddasim which are being used as schach? Learn רן דף יח. דפי הריף “הדס של מצוה (middle of the wide lines)
Review the גמרא דף ג. “מאי הוי עלה” (last line of the Amud) until the top of “דף ג עמוד ב “א”ל רב פפא and continue learning the Gemara until the two dots
Question: The Gemara סוכה דף ד rules when the schach is above 20 amos but shoots hang down within 20 amos. If the shoots are חמתן מרובה מצלתן the sukkah is pasul. According to Rava, why is it pasul? Learn תוס’ “חלל who answers this question.
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Quickly review the גמרא דף לז. “אמר רבא מנא אמינא (eight lines from bottom of the Amud) until דף לז: “ואמר רבה (three lines from top of the Amud)
Question: Rava beings a proof from the לקיחה of אזוב that לקיחה על ידי דבר אחר שמה לקיחה. How does the halacha of איזוב disprove the position of רבה who requires לקיחה תמה which is special for Lulav? Learn רש”ש
Continue learning the Gemara until ואמר רבה הדס של מצוה
Questions: Would a separated leaf be an issue of בל תוסיף?
Rabbah and Rava disagree when there’s a separated leaf from the haddasim or Aravos whether it is considered a חציצה What is the additional chiddush in the argument betwéen Rabbah and Rava by the case of the cut off leaves of the Lulav? Why does the Rif and Rambam not bring the halacha of the case of cutting off the bottom of the lulav when it’s inside the bundle? Learn Aruch L’Ner for an answer https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=143
There is a machlokes as to what is the disqualification in all the cases of Rava. Tosfos- חציצה Ran- lack of לקיחה תמה
According to the Ran would a partial separation be a lack of לקיחה תמה? Bring a próof from the above Gemara
Review the שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ז The Rama says the minhag is to remove the tefillin straps and rings from one’s finger when holding the Daled minim but according to the letter of the law it is not necessary. Questions: Why is it not absolutely necessary? See מגן אברהם ס”ק יח and ב’ הגר”א אות כב who give different explanations https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=397 See משנה ברורה ס”ק לו for his halachic ruling https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=252
Review the גמרא דף ג. “מקצת קורה (two dots) until “מאי הוי עלה” (last line of the Amud)
Questions: What is the case of חמתה מרובה מצלתו? Learn “תוס’ “אי who gives two explanations. Learn “תוס’ סוכה דף ט: “הא starting from “ורבינו תם מפרש” (eight lines before it starts getting wider) until “שקשה” (two lines later) and “ובריש עירובין” (last line of medium size lines) until the end of Tosfos. See רא”ש סוכה פרק ראשון ס’ ג “ומה שהקשה (in middle) until “בנה בה איצטבא” See ר”ן סוכה דף ט: “פירוש דכיון דעליונה until “אבל”
We concluded according to רב נחמן בר יצחק the reason the קורה and schach has to be within twenty Amos of the ground is because of היכר. Why does it matter that part of the schach or קורה is above twenty Amos as long as one can see the schach or קורה? Learn “תוס’ סוכה דף ב. “אמר
According to רב נחמן בר יצחק the reason the קורה has to be within twenty Amos of the ground is because of היכר. Learn רבינו יהונתן ריש מסכתא who explains the opinion of ר’ יהודה that permits the קורה to be placed above twenty amos as ר’ יהודה is of the opinion קורה משום מחיצה Major Question: What is the צריכותא of the gemara to list the machlokes of Rabanan and Rebbe Yehuda both by Mavui and sukkah if the two halachos are for different reasons? (see גאון יעקב דף ב. “וכן הא)
Learn the גמרא דף ג. “מקצת קורה (two dots) until “מאי הוי עלה” (last line of the Amud)
Questions: What is the case of חמתה מרובה מצלתו? Learn “תוס’ “אי who gives two explanations. Learn תוס’ סוכה דף ט: “הא starting from “ורבינו תם מפרש” (eight lines before it starts getting wider) until “שקשה” (two lines later) and “ובריש עירובין” (last line of medium size lines) until the end of Tosfos. See רא”ש סוכה פרק ראשון ס’ ג “ומה שהקשה (in middle) until “בנה בה איצטבא” See ר”ן סוכה דף ט: “פירוש דכיון דעליונה until “אבל”
We concluded according to רב נחמן בר יצחק the reason the קורה and schach has to be within twenty Amos of the ground is because of היכר. Why does it matter that part of the schach or קורה is above twenty Amos as long as one can see the schach or קורה? Learn “תוס’ סוכה דף ב. “אמר Learn גאון יעקב דף ג. “הכא נמי
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Quickly review the גמרא דף לז. “אמר רבא מנא אמינא (eight lines from bottom of the Amud) until דף לז: “ואמר רבה (three lines from top of the Amud)
Question: Rava beings a proof from the לקיחה of אזוב that לקיחה על ידי דבר אחר שמה לקיחה. How does the halacha of איזוב disprove the position of רבה who requires לקיחה תמה which is special for Lulav? Learn רש”ש
Continue learning the Gemara until ואמר רבה הדס של מצוה
Questions: Would a separated leaf be an issue of בל תוסיף?
Questions: Rabbah and Rava disagree when there’s a separated leaf from the haddasim or Aravos whether it is considered a חציצה What is the additional chiddush in the argument betwéen Rabbah and Rava by the case of the cut off leaves of the Lulav? Why does the Rif and Rambam not bring the halacha of the case of cutting off the bottom of the lulav when it’s inside the bundle? Learn Aruch L’Ner for an answer https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=143
There is a machlokes as to what is the disqualification in all the cases of Rava. Tosfos- חציצה Ran- lack of לקיחה תמה
According to the Ran would a partial separation be a lack of לקיחה תמה? Bring a próof from the above Gemara
Review the שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ז The Rama says the minhag is to remove the tefilin straps and rings from one’s finger when holding the Daled minim but according to the letter of the law it is not necessary. Questions: Why is it not absolutely necessary? See מגן אברהם ס”ק יח and ב’ הגר”א אות כב who give different explanations https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=397 See משנה ברורה ס”ק לו for his halachik ruling https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=252
Review the גמרא דף ג. “ורב נחמן בר יצחק (eighteen lines from top of the Amud) until מאי אמלתרא (last narrow line of the Amud)
Bring a proof from the question and answer of the Gemara that Rebbe Yehuda’s opinion of maximum height is also for the reason of היכר. See “חידושי הר”ן דף ג “קורה (attached in Thursday’s email) And “ריטב”א “קורה https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37287&st=&pgnum=4
Continue learning the Gemara from מאי אמלתרא (last narrow line of the Amud) until the two dots.
Question: Would one be permitted to place schach above 20 amos by placing an אמלתרא on the schach?
Continue learning the Gemara from the two dots until the last line of the Amud
