Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Third Perek – Monday night shiur Kislev 2, Daf 36b (12/02/24)
Quickly review the משנה דף לו עמוד ב
There are two prohibitions listed in the Mishna – שהייה & חזרה
We are going to first focus on the איסור שהייה
Review the גמרא דף לו עמוד ב until דף לז. “ת”ש” (eleven lines from top of the Amud)
Question:
What is the reason for the איסור שהייה?
See רש”י לו: “עד שיגרוף
Learn תוס’ דף לו: “לא
Clarify the two questions of Tosfos on Rashi
Questions:
According to Rashi is הטמנה בדבר המוסיף הבל permitted when the fire is גרוף או קטום?
Major Question:
How is Tosfos’ explanation different from Rashi?
Why does raking out the coals or placing ashes on the גפת ועצים permit one to place cooked food on the Kirah?
Learn “ר”ן “או עד שיתן האפר
What is the difference between Rashi and the Ran?
Rabbi Zev Wolbe: Mishna Berura Halacha Shiur – Hilchos Chanukah: Siman 674: That you Can Light from Ner to Ner (12/02/24)
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah יום שני Rosh Chodesh Kislev, Daf 38b (12/02/24)
Halachik Conclusions of הלכות חזרה:
Is the requirement of דעתו להחזיר to have specific intent to return or as long as do not have specific intent not to return.
What is the halacha if a pot slides off the blech on to the counter top, may it be returned to the blech?
If the electricity or fire goes out is it permitted to move the pot to a different fire?
Review ה’ רע”א ס’ רנ”ג אות ו
What is the reason if someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and places it on the ground it is prohibited to return it to the stovetop?
According to Rebbe Akiva Eiger what is the machlokes between Tosfos and the Rash whether it is permitted to return a pot to the stovetop that was removes from the fire without permission of the owner without intent to return it to the fire but it is still in his hand?
Learn אבי עזרי ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י who asks a question on Rebbe Akiva Eiger
Based on Rebbe Akiva Eiger what should be the halacha in the case a pot slides off the stovetop?
What is the point of disagreement between Rav Shach (אבי עזרי) and Rebbe Akiva Eiger?
See letter in back of ספר אורחת שבת ח”א from Hagaon Rav Shmuel Aurbach zt”l for an answer to the question of Rav Shach.
R’ Alex Novichenok: Gemara Bava Metzia – First Perek – Shnayim Ochazin, Daf 2b (12/01/24)
Source Sheets:
Rabbi Mordechai Moshe Goldberg: Gemara Bava Metzia – First Perek, Daf 12b – 13a (12/01/24)
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah יום חמישי Cheshvan 27 Daf 38b (11/28/24)
Halachik Conclusions of הלכות חזרה
If someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and places it in the ground is it permitted to return it to the stovetop?
If someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and does not have intent to return it to the fire but it is still in his hand. Is it permitted to return it to the stovetop?
Learn ה’ רע”א ס’ רנ”ג אות ז
Learn אבי עזרי ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י who asks a question on Rebbe Akiva Eiger
See letter in back of ספר אורחת שבת ח”א from Hagaon Rav Shmuel Aurbach zt”l for an answer to the question of Rav Shach
Point to consider
Is the requirement of דעתו להחזיר to have specific intent to return or as long as do not have specific intent not to return.
What is the halacha if a pot slides off the blech on to the counter top, may it be returned to the blech?
If the electricity or fire goes out is it permitted to move the pot to a different fire?
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah יום רביעי Cheshvan 26 Daf 38b (11/27/24)
Halachik Conclusions of הלכות חזרה
In conclusion is it required to have the conditions of עודה בידו and דעתו להחזיר in order to return pot on to a stovetop?
In the event that a pot was removed from the stovetop and placed on the ground with intent to return, may one return the pot to the fire?
Review שולחן ערוך ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב
Review משנה ברורה ס’ רנ”ג ס”ק נ”ו, ביאור הלכה “ודעתו להחזיר and שער הציון אות נ
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Continue learning the רמ”א ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב
Focus on the יש אומרים שכל זה אינו אסור – the chidush of the ר”ן from the ירושלמי
See משנה ברורה ס”ק סג-סז
Major Question:
Why does the Mishna Berura not permit returning a pot to the fire when it was placed on the ground with intent to return as the Rema says was the accepted practice?
Can we rely on the ruling of the ר”ן in cases of בדיעבד ?
Learn חזון איש או”ח ס’ ל”ז ס”ק יב
See שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק א סעיף כא-כב
And קובץ הלכות פרק כו סעיף מה with footnote סג
Rabbi Binyamin Halberstam: Morning Kollel: גמרא שבת – פרק שלישי – פרק כירה לח: סוגיא דתנאים עודו בידו ודעתו להחזיר (11/26/24)
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Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Morning Kollel: גמרא שבת – פרק שלישי – פרק כירה לח: סוגיא דתנאים עודו בידו ודעתו להחזיר (11/26/24)
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Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah יום שלישי Cheshvan 25 Daf 38b (11/26/24)
Conclusion גמרא דף לח: ” חזרה
In conclusion is it required to have the conditions of עודה בידו and דעתו להחזיר in order to return pot on to a stovetop?
In the event that a pot was removed from the stovetop and lacking the condition of either holding on hand or intent to return may one return the pot to the fire?
Write down the opinion of the ריף,
And ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “לא שנו,
And רא”ש ס’ ב
And רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י
Learn טור ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב
Learn beginning of שולחן ערוך ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב
What is the ruling of the Mechaber?
What is the ruling of the Rema?
What is the Rema adding by stating condition of עודה בידו to the Mechaber who says if placed on ground it may not be returned?
Learn משנה ברורה on begining of סעיף ב
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Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah יום שני Cheshvan 24 Daf 38b (11/25/24)
Conclusion גמרא דף לח: ” חזרה
In conclusion is it required to have the conditions of עודה בידו and דעתו להחזיר in order to return pot on to a stovetop?
Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “לא שנו
Learn רא”ש ס’ ב last two lines
Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י
See טור ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב
Learn beginning of שולחן ערוך ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב
And משנה ברורה
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R’ Alex Novichenok: Gemara Bava Metzia – First Perek – Shnayim Ochazin, Daf 2b (11/24/24)
Source Sheets:
Rabbi Mordechai Moshe Goldberg: Gemara Bava Metzia – First Perek, Daf 12b – 13a (11/24/24)
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah יום חמישי Cheshvan 20 Daf 38b (11/21/24)
Conclusion גמרא דף לח: “פינה ממיחם למיחם until the Mishna
What is the halachik conclusion of פינה ממיחם למיחם
May one transfer the contents of a Crock-Pot into a second pot and return the second pot to the fire?
See טור ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב
See beginning of שולחן ערוך ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב
Learn מגן אברהם ס’ רנ”ג ס”ק כ
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And ה’ רע”א אות ז
Is the note of Rebbe Akiva Eiger arguing on the Magen Avraham or explaining the Magen Avraham?
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And שער הציון אות מז
The Ran says if one returns the contents back to the original pot it is possibly prohibited to return the pot to the fire as it is considered he placed the pot on the ground when placing it into the second pot. Why would this reasoning not prohibit returning the second pot itself to the fire?
See קובץ הלכות פרק כו הערה עג
According to the Mishna Berura is it permitted if the water is placed into a cup and then poured into the Crock-Pot?
See שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק א הערה מט
According to the Magen Avraham is it permitted to add hot water directly from a hot water urn into a crock pot?
See תוס’ דף לח: פינה
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fifth Perek – Wednesday night, Cheshvan 20 Daf 56b (11/20/24)
Review and continue learning the גמרא דף נו: “אע”פ (seven lines before end of mesachta) until end of the mesachta
Questions:
Why did Bilga kick the Mizbeach?
Why did Bilga refer to the Mizbeach as a wolf?
Why does the Gemara end with the benefit of living next to a tzadik when the family the Gemara discusses were not tzadikim?
Why did the neighbors of Bilga gain when normally the neighbors of the wicked lose out?
Rabbi Yerachmiel Hamburger: Kinyan Hamesechta – Gemara Bava Metzia 28b: Tanu Rabbanan BaRishona… (11/20/24)
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Morning Kollel: גמרא שבת – פרק שלישי – פרק כירה לח: סוגיא דפינה ממיחם למיחם (11/20/24)
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Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah יום רביעי Cheshvan 19 Daf 38b (11/20/24)
Conclusion גמרא דף לח: “פינה ממיחם למיחם until the Mishna
Practical cases
The one transfer the contents of a Crock-Pot into a second pot and return the second pot to the fire?
May one add hot water directly from a hot water urn into a crock pot?
Is it permitted if the water is placed into a cup and then poured into the Crock-Pot?
What is the halachik conclusion of פינה ממיחם למיחם
Learn מגן אברהם ס’ רנ”ג ס”ק כ
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And ה’ רע”א אות ז
Learn משנה ברורה ס’ רנ”ג ס”ק נה
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And שער הציון אות מז
According to the Ran If one transfered the contents of a pot to a second pot can the second pot be returned to the stovetop?
According to Tosfos
With the return of the second part be permitted if the second pot is hot?
Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah יום שלישי Cheshvan 18 Daf 38b (11/19/24)
onclusion גמרא דף לח: “פינה ממיחם למיחם until the Mishna
Summarize the two answers of תוס’ “פינה and תוס’ ישנים as to what is the uncertainty in the case of פינה ממיחם למיחם (transferring the food to a different pot) whether it is permitted to return the second pot to the stove
Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “בעי רב אשי for an additional two answers
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How are the two explanations of the Ran different than each other?
How are the two explanations of the Ran different than Tosfos?
List the four answers to Tosfos question
How many different explanations do we have as to why it might be prohibited to do Chazarah if transfered the contents of original pot to a new pot.
In conclusion is it required to have the conditions of עודה בידו and דעתו להחזיר in order to return pot on to a stovetop?
Is placing the pot on a peg or on bed considered עודה בידו ?
If one transfered the contents of the original pot to a new pot can the second pot be returned to the stovetop?
Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “לא שנו
Learn רא”ש ס’ ב last two lines
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Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י
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