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Learn second משנה דף לח עמוד א and the Gemara until אמר רבא (last line)
Learn “תוס’ “מי Questions: Is the concept of שאף הן היו באותו הנס a reason to obligate מדאורייתא or only מדרבנן? Learn גמרא פסחים דף קח. “”ואמר רבי יהושע בן לוי נשים (last line until top line of דף קח עמוד ב) Learn רשב”ם דף קח: “שאף הן היו באותו הנס and תוספת “שאף” & “היו https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=4&daf=108&format=pdf
Learn תוספת מגילה דף ד. “שאף https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=11&daf=4&format=pdf Note: The two different explanations of שאף הן היו באותו הנס Questions: What is the connection between the beginning and the end of Tosfos? According to the second answer of Tosfos the reasoning of שאף הן היו באותו הנס will obligate even for a mitzvah דאורייתא. How will Tosfos answer the question of Tosfos of Pesachim why are women not obligated in the mitzvah of Sukkah? See רש”ש on תוספת פסחים דף קח
See חידושי גרי”ז ערכין דף ג. “אמר ריב”ל who gives two possible ways to explain the concept of how אף הן היו באותו הנס obligates in a Mitzvah and a nafkah mineh between the two reasons.
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Conclusion of the גמרא דף לח (between the first and second Mishna)
In conclusion, what is the halacha regarding a mitzvah דאורייתא? Is one obligated to interrupt an activity he is engaged in to perform the mitzvah? Review רמב״ם הלכות קריאת שמע פרק ב הלכה ו and the ראב”ד who asks multiple questions on the Rambam from our Gemara. https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58957&st=&pgnum=172
Major Questions: The Mishna Shabbos 9b and our Gemara concludes that for a mitzvah דאורייתא one needs to interrupt a meal to recite krias shema even when there is time after the meal. How could the Rambam rule that one can continue his meal and need not interrupt to recite krias shema even if there will not be time to recite it after the meal? Write the four different explanations from the Meforshim below
Learn second משנה דף לח עמוד א and the Gemara until אמר רבא (last line) Learn תוס’ “מי Questions: Is the concept of שאף הן היו באותו הנס a reason to obligate מדאורייתא or only מדרבנן? Learn גמרא פסחים דף קח. “”ואמר רבי יהושע בן לוי נשים (last line until too line of דף קח עמוד ב Learn רשב”ם דף קח: “שאף הן היו באותו הנס and תוספת “שאף” & “היו Learn תוספת מגילה דף ד. “שאף What’s the difference between the two answers offered by the end of Tosfos?
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Very quickly review the conclusion of the גמרא דף לח (between the first and second Mishna)
Learn תוספת “מאי Note – how the Ran answered the question of Tosfos
In conclusion, what is the halacha regarding a mitzvah דאורייתא? Is one obligated to interrupt an activity he is engaged in to perform the mitzvah? Learn רמב״ם הלכות קריאת שמע פרק ב הלכה ו and the ראב”ד who asks multiple questions on the Rambam from our Gemara. https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58957&st=&pgnum=172
Major Questions: The Mishna Shabbos 9b and our Gemara concludes that for a mitzvah דאורייתא one needs to interrupt a meal to recite krias shema even when there is time after the meal. How could the Rambam rule that one can continue his meal and need not interrupt to recite krias shema even if there will not be time to recite it after the meal? Learn כסף משנה who gives two answers. See ט”ז אורח חיים ס’ ע סעיף ה who asks multiple questions on the kesef mishna / Beis Yosef. https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14326&st=&pgnum=120
Learn second משנה דף לח עמוד א and the Gemara until אמר רבא (last line) Learn תוס’ “מי Questions: Is the concept of שאף הן היו באותו הנס a reason to obligate מדאורייתא or only מדרבנן? Learn גמרא פסחים דף קח. “”ואמר רבי יהושע בן לוי נשים (last line until too line of דף קח עמוד ב Learn רשב”ם דף קח: “שאף הן היו באותו הנס and תוספת “שאף” & “היו Learn תוספת מגילה דף ד. “שאף What’s the difference between the two answers offered by the end of Tosfos?
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Sugya: Timing for Mitzvah of Daled Minim
Review the משנה דף לח. & גמרא until the next Mishna Learn the משנה שבת דף ט עמוד ב
Learn the ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “מי שבא בדרך & “הלכך The Ran concludes by a Rabbinical mitzvah even if an individual started his activity באיסור (after the time of the Mitzvah began) still one does not need to interrupt as long as there will still remain time to perform he mitzvah after he completes his activity
Bring a proof whether Rashi agrees to the Ran.
Learn תוספת “מאי Bring a proof whether Tosfos agrees to the Ran.
In conclusion what is the halacha regarding a mitzvah דאורייתא is one obligated interrupt an activity he is engaged in to perform the mitzvah? Learn רמב״ם הלכות קריאת שמע פרק ב הלכה ו and the ראב”ד who asks multiple questions on the Rambam from our Gemara. Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ ע סעיף ה with the משנה ברורה and “ביאור הלכה “היה
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New Sugya: Timing for Mitzvah of Daled Minim
Learn משנה דף לח. & גמרא until the next Mishna Learn the משנה שבת דף ט עמוד ב as an introduction to our Gemara.
Learn the ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “מי שבא בדרך & “הלכך The Ran concludes by a Rabbinical mitzvah even if an individual started his activity באיסור (after the time of the Mitzvah began) still one does not need to interrupt as long as there will still remain time to perform he mitzvah after he completes his activity
Bring a proof whether Rashi agrees to the Ran.
Learn תוספת “מאי Bring a proof whether Tosfos agrees to the Ran.
Questions: How does the Rambam and רבינו שמחה explain the three gemara’s that Tosfos and the Ran brought as a proof that the Lulav is shaken during the initial taking?
What is the point of disagreement between the Rambam and Tosfos/ Ran/ Rosh/ Meiri ?
Based on the above Rambam the Brisker Rav would be careful to use the same Daled Minim that he shook when he made the bracha to hold and shake during Hallel.
See how the Shulchan Aruch Mentions when is the time of the main Mitzvah of Daled Minim – See שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”ב סעיף א “ועיקר מצותו בשעת ההלל
Think of a few more halachik differences between the Rambam and the other Rishonim See הליכות שלמה לולב פרק יט הלכה יט and the footnotes אות לג and 84 and מקראי קודש סוכה חלק ב סימן טז אות ב
Thank you Bruce Goldberg for sending in your summary of the Sugya.
Please write a summary of the Sugya of נענועים of the Daled Minim. Include the following points.
During which pesukim of Hallel are the Daled Minim shaken. (Mishna, Tosfos “בהודו” and Ran)
Must one shake the Daled Minim when he first recites the bracha on the lulav before Hallel. (the opinions and reasoning of תוספת “בהודו, Ran, Rosh, Meiri and Rambam)
How does the Rambam view differ? List three differences lhalacha based on the Rambam
Question: How many times must one shake the Lulav? What is considered נענועים – Moving the Lulav in various directions or actually shaking (rattling) the Lulav Learn ‘ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “גמרא https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=619
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Quickly review גמרא דף לז עמוד ב from after the Mishna until the Mishna דף לח
We discussed last week whether one is required to shake the Lulav when he first recites the bracha on the lulav before Hallel? The (תוספת (בהודו and (‘ר”ן (דף יח: דפי הריף and (רא”ש (פרק שלישי ס’ כו all said one must shake the Lulav when initially taking it and reciting the bracha. The Meiri said it’s a kal vchomer that one must shake during the initial taking.
Questions: How does the Rambam and רבינו שמחה explain the three gemara’s that Tosfos and the Ran brought as a proof that the Lulav is shaken during the initial taking?
What is the point of disagreement between the Rambam and Tosfos/ Ran/ Rosh/ Meiri ?
What is a practical difference?
Is the extra tefach of the required height of the Lulav in addition to the first 3 tefachim part of the required height from the Torah or is it Rabbinic? See last line משנה כט עמוד ב and רש”י דף כט: “ושל עיר הנדחת
The Mishna is clear that one must shake the Lulav. What is the source of the Mishna for this obligation?
How many times must one shake the Lulav? What is considered נענועים – Moving the Lulav in various directions or actually shaking (rattling) the Lulav Learn “תוספת “כדי Learn ‘ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “גמרא
How do we conclude lhalacha? Learn שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ט and the משנה ברורה
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Learn גמרא דף לז עמוד ב from after the Mishna until the Mishna דף לח
Questions: What is the proper practice of shaking the Lulav when the Chazzan says יאמר נא ה’ & the public replies הודו לה’ כי טוב? Should the public shake the Lulav at each of the responses of הודו לה’ כי טוב? Should the Chazzan shake the Lulav when he says יאמר נא? Learn “תוספת “בהודו starting from “ועכשיו (seven lines before the medium lines) until “ובשעת ברכה Learn ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “בהודו (fourth line) until גמרא who gives a different opinion than Tosfos.
Question: The practice in most shuls is that the Chazzan only shakes the Lulav during הודו לה’ and the first line of יאמר נא and the public shakes the Lulav during each הודו לה’ that is said in response to all the יאמר נא & יאמרו נא. What is the explanation of this practice as it’s not in accordance with any of the opinions above ? See שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ב and משנה ברורה ס”ק מא
Is one required to shake the Lulav when he first recites the bracha on the lulav before Hallel? Learn “תוספת “בהודו starting from “ובשעת ברכה Learn ‘ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “מתני (top line) who gives an additional source. Learn רא”ש פרק שלישי ס’ כו (the paragraph on the Mishna) Learn רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ז הלכה ט-י and the הגהות מיימונית אות ס
What is the source of the Mishna that one must shake the Lulav? How many times must one shake the Lulav? What is considered נענועים – Moving the Lulav in various directions or actually shaking (rattling) the Lulav Learn “תוספת “כדי Learn ‘ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “גמרא
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Questions: Why do we shake the Lulav specifically when we recite the pasuk of הודו לה’ כי טוב and אנא ה’ הושיעה נא? What is the proper practice of shaking the Lulav when the Chazzan says יאמר נא ה’ & the public replies הודו לה’ כי טוב? Should the public shake the Lulav at each of the responses of הודו לה’ כי טוב? Should the Chazzan shake the Lulav when he says יאמר נא?
The Mishna discusses shaking and waving the Daled Minim during Hallel. Does one need to shake and wave the Lulav when he recites the bracha on them before Hallel? Learn “תוספות “בהודו starting from “ועכשיו (seven lines before the medium lines) until “ובשעת ברכה Learn ר”ן דף יח: דפי הריף “בהודו (fourth line) until גמרא who gives a different opinion than Tosfos. Why does Beis Shammai require to shake the Lulav also by אנא ה’ הצליחה נא?
What is the source of the Mishna that one must shake the Lulav? Learn “תוספות “כדי
Question: If the source for the prohibition is the drasha which makes the Haddasim into איסורי הנאה than why is it permitted to smell an Esrog? See שפת אמת דף לז. “אמר רבה הדס של מצוה https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14522&st=&pgnum=198
Learn the “גמרא דף לז: “ואמר רבה הדס במחובר until the Mishna
Questions: Does one who mistakenly held the Lulav in the left hand and Esrog in the right hand fulfill the Mitzvah of Daled Minim? Does he need to pick the Daled minim up again in the correct hand?
We discussed an argument between the מרדכי and the ש”ך The (מרדכי (פסחים פרק שני אות תקמז derives from the prohibition to smell the Haddasim that it is only forbidden to smell איסורי הנאה whose primary function are to produce a nice fragrance. But if scent is not the primary function than it is permitted to smell them as we apply the rule דייט לאו מילתא https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14315&st=&pgnum=421
The ש”ך יו”ד ס’ ק”ח ס”ק כז disagrees and says that our Gemara implies the opposite. Only in regards to muktza is it permitted to smell the item if it’s primary function is not for smell. But for איסורי הנאה it is prohibited to derive pleasure from their fragrance regardless of their primary or secondary purpose. https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&st=&pgnum=513
Questions: What is the point of disagreement between the מרדכי and the ש”ך? The מרדכי – Special drasha that the Daled minim are consecrated to Hashem. The ש”ך – They are designated for a mitzvah.
See “רש”י “אסור להריח Questions: Why does Rashi list both the reason of חל שם שמים – איסור הנאה and מוקצה?
Continue learning the גמרא דף לז: “ואמר רבה הדס במחובר until the Mishna
Questions: Did someone who mistakenly held the Lulav in the left hand and Esrog in the right hand fulfill the Mitzvah of Daled Minim? Does he need to pick the Daled minim up again in the correct hand? See the גמרא מב. “אמר אביי כשהפכו and רש”י an רבינו חננאל “א”ר אמי
Learn the מאירי And מגן אברהם ס’ תרנ”א ס”ק ט How do we rule lhalacha? See שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ג and משנה ברורה ס”ק יט
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Learn the גמרא דף לז: “ואמר רבה הדס של מצוה (eight lines from top of the Amud) until “ואמר רבה הדס במחובר”
Question: What is the reason it is prohibited to smell the haddasim?
Special drasha that the Daled minim are consecrated to Hashem
They are designated for a mitzvah.
See “רש”י “אסור להריח
Learn גמרא דף ט. “דאמר רב ששת (fourth mine of the Gemara) until ובית שמאי Learn תוספת דף ט. “מנין Clarify the two explanations of Tosfos as to when there is a drasha from the Torah prohibiting the use of schach and when we need the takana drabanan of muktza.
Questions:
How does Rashi extrapolate the prohibition of smelling the haddasim from schach which has a special drasha? If the source for the prohibition is the drasha then why is it permitted to smell an Esrog?
See מרדכי גמרא פסחים פרק שני אות תקמ”ז who derives a halacha in all איסורי הנאה from our Gemara
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Review the גמרא דף לז: “ואמר רבה (three lines from top of the Amud) until ואמר רבה הדס של מצוה
Questions: Rabbah and Rava disagree when there’s a separated leaf from the haddasim or Aravos whether it is considered a חציצה What is the additional chiddush in the argument betwéen Rabbah and Rava by the case of the cut off leaves of the Lulav? Why does the Rif and Rambam not bring the halacha of the case of cutting off the bottom of the lulav when it’s inside the bundle? Learn Aruch L’Ner for an answer https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=143
Why would a separated leaf stuck between Hadas and Lulav be a Chatzitza? Earlier we only discussed a chatzitza between one’s hand and the daled minim, where is the source that the daled minim needs to be stuck together without a separation? See Rashash https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=514
Would the answer to this question differ based on the machlokes between Tosfos and the Ran regarding what is the disqualification in all the cases of Rabbah and Rava. (Tosfos- חציצה, Ran- lack of לקיחה תמה)? Bring a proof from Rashi what the issue is.
According to Rabbah would one be inquired to inspect that there are no detached leaves stuck between his lulav and haddas ?
Learn the גמרא דף לז: “ואמר רבה הדס של מצוה (eight lines from top of the Amud) until “ואמר רבה הדס במחובר”
Question: What is the source for the prohibition of smelling the haddasim? See “רש”י “אסור להריח Learn גמרא דף ט. “דאמר רב ששת (fourth line of the Gemara) until ובית שמאי Learn תוספת דף ט. “מנין Clarify the two explanations of Tosfos as to when there is a drasha from the Torah prohibiting the use of schach and when we need the takana drabanan of muktza.
Questions: How does Rashi extrapolate the prohibition of smelling the haddasim from schach which has a special drasha? If the source for the prohibition is the drasha then why is it permitted to smell an Esrog?
Is it permitted to smell haddasim which are being used as schach? Learn רן דף יח. דפי הריף “הדס של מצוה (middle of the wide lines)
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Quickly review the גמרא דף לז. “אמר רבא מנא אמינא (eight lines from bottom of the Amud) until דף לז: “ואמר רבה (three lines from top of the Amud)
Question: Rava beings a proof from the לקיחה of אזוב that לקיחה על ידי דבר אחר שמה לקיחה. How does the halacha of איזוב disprove the position of רבה who requires לקיחה תמה which is special for Lulav? Learn רש”ש
Continue learning the Gemara until ואמר רבה הדס של מצוה
Questions: Would a separated leaf be an issue of בל תוסיף?
Rabbah and Rava disagree when there’s a separated leaf from the haddasim or Aravos whether it is considered a חציצה What is the additional chiddush in the argument betwéen Rabbah and Rava by the case of the cut off leaves of the Lulav? Why does the Rif and Rambam not bring the halacha of the case of cutting off the bottom of the lulav when it’s inside the bundle? Learn Aruch L’Ner for an answer https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=143
There is a machlokes as to what is the disqualification in all the cases of Rava. Tosfos- חציצה Ran- lack of לקיחה תמה
According to the Ran would a partial separation be a lack of לקיחה תמה? Bring a próof from the above Gemara
Review the שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ז The Rama says the minhag is to remove the tefillin straps and rings from one’s finger when holding the Daled minim but according to the letter of the law it is not necessary. Questions: Why is it not absolutely necessary? See מגן אברהם ס”ק יח and ב’ הגר”א אות כב who give different explanations https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=397 See משנה ברורה ס”ק לו for his halachic ruling https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=252
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Quickly review the גמרא דף לז. “אמר רבא מנא אמינא (eight lines from bottom of the Amud) until דף לז: “ואמר רבה (three lines from top of the Amud)
Question: Rava beings a proof from the לקיחה of אזוב that לקיחה על ידי דבר אחר שמה לקיחה. How does the halacha of איזוב disprove the position of רבה who requires לקיחה תמה which is special for Lulav? Learn רש”ש
Continue learning the Gemara until ואמר רבה הדס של מצוה
Questions: Would a separated leaf be an issue of בל תוסיף?
Questions: Rabbah and Rava disagree when there’s a separated leaf from the haddasim or Aravos whether it is considered a חציצה What is the additional chiddush in the argument betwéen Rabbah and Rava by the case of the cut off leaves of the Lulav? Why does the Rif and Rambam not bring the halacha of the case of cutting off the bottom of the lulav when it’s inside the bundle? Learn Aruch L’Ner for an answer https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=143
There is a machlokes as to what is the disqualification in all the cases of Rava. Tosfos- חציצה Ran- lack of לקיחה תמה
According to the Ran would a partial separation be a lack of לקיחה תמה? Bring a próof from the above Gemara
Review the שולחן ערוך ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ז The Rama says the minhag is to remove the tefilin straps and rings from one’s finger when holding the Daled minim but according to the letter of the law it is not necessary. Questions: Why is it not absolutely necessary? See מגן אברהם ס”ק יח and ב’ הגר”א אות כב who give different explanations https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=397 See משנה ברורה ס”ק לו for his halachik ruling https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=252
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Bring a proof from “רש”י דף לז. “במינו as to why the Rabanan who hold לולב אין צורך אגד are not concerned with the violation of בל תוסיף when using a ring to bind the daled minim out of a different material?
Question on Gemara דף לו עמוד ב: Why does רבא comment on the opinion of רבי יהודה who holds לולב צריך אגד when we rule the halacha is לולב אין צורך אגד? Why did the Gemara spend time explaining the opinion of רבי יהודה when we rule like the Rabanan?
Continue learning the Gemara until “אמר רבא ” (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)
Questions: Would a partial חציצה betwéen ones hand and the Lulav invalidate his shaking of the daled minim? Bring a proof from “תוספת “כי
Why is holding the Lulav with a scarf not an issue of חציצה? Learn “תוספת “דבעינא
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Very quickly review the “גמרא דף לו: “ואמר רבא מנא אמינא (nine lines from bottom of the Amud) until “גמרא דף לז. “ר’ מאיר (two dots)
Questions: According to רבי יהודה Do all the four minim need to be used in the schach? Can one use an Esrog for schach? Learn “תוספת דף לו: “רבי יהודה
Learn the “גמרא דף לז. “ר’ מאיר (two dots) until “אמר להו רבה”
Bring a proof from “רש”י דף לז. “במינו as to why the Rabanan who hold לולב אין צורך אגד are not concerned with the violation of בל תוסיף when using a ring to bind the daled minim out of a different material?
Question on Gemara דף לו עמוד ב: Why does רבא comment on the opinion of רבי יהודה who holds לולב צריך אגד when we rule the halacha is לולב אין צורך אגד? Why did the Gemara spend time explaining the opinion of רבי יהודה when we rule like the Rabanan?
Continue learning the Gemara until “אמר רבא ” (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)
Questions: Would a partial חציצה betwéen ones hand and the Lulav invalidate his shaking of the daled minim? Bring a proof from “תוספת “כי
Why is holding the Lulav with a scarf not an issue of חציצה? Learn “תוספת “דבעינא
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Learn the “גמרא דף לו: “ואמר רבא מנא אמינא (nine lines from bottom of the Amud) until “גמרא דף לז. “ר’ מאיר (two dots)
Questions: According to רבי יהודה Do all the four minim need to be used in the schach? Can one use an Esrog for schach? Learn “תוספת דף לו: “רבי יהודה
The Gemara proved that רבי יהודה holds סיב and עיקרא דדיקלא could be used to bind the Lulav. What is רבי יהודה source in the Torah for this?
Learn the “גמרא דף לז. “ר’ מאיר (two dots) until “אמר להו רבה”
Bring a proof from “רש”י דף לז. “במינו as to why the Rabanan who hold לולב אין צורך אגד are not concerned with the violation of בל תוסיף when using a ring to bind the daled minim out of a different material?
Question on Gemara דף לו עמוד ב: Why does רבא comment on the opinion of רבי יהודה who holds לולב צריך אגד when we rule the halacha is לולב אין צורך אגד? Why did the Gemara spend time explaining the opinion of רבי יהודה when we rule like the Rabanan?
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Questions: According to ר”מ/רבנן who hold לולב אין צורך אגד why is one not in violation by using different material to bind the Lulav? Learn “תוספות דף לא: “הואיל https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&daf=31b&format=pdf Learn ר”ן דף טז: דפי הריף “דתניא until the two dots on top of דף יז for a different explanation than Tosfos
Tosfos says that in order to transgress בל תוסיף the extra item has to be held דרך גדילתו – in the direction that it grows. According to ר”מ why is it permitted to bind the Lulav with gold band as gold doesn’t grow from the ground so should not be limited to דרך גדילתו? See רש”ש
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Quickly review the “גמרא דף לו: “אתרוג קטן (two dots) until the Mishna
In conclusion: According to רבי יהודה, why is an Esrog that is larger than half of his handgrip pasul? According to רבי יוסי is there a maximum size for an Esrog?
Review “תוספת דף לד: “שתהא Tosfos brings a machlokes between the בה”ג and ר”ת whether one must hold all the Daled minim in his hand at the same time in order to fulfill the Mitzvah. Question: According to ר”ת that one must hold all the Daled minim at the same time how can an Esrog the size of a watermelon be kosher as it’s impossible to hold all the minim? See ערוך לנר
Learn the משנה דף לו עמוד ב and the Gemara until “אמרו לו” (second to last line of the Amud)
Questions on רבי יהודה: The Anshei Yerushalayim had two bindings around their Lulav. The real binding was למטה. What does למטה mean in this case; beneath or underneath?
Questions: According to ר”מ/רבנן who hold לולב אין צורך אגד why is one not in violation by using different material to bind the Lulav? Learn “תוספות דף לא: “הואיל https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&daf=31b&format=pdf Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “דתניא until the two dots on top of דף יז for a different explanation than Tosfos
Tosfos says that in order to transgress בל תוסיף the extra item has to be held דרך גדילתו – in the direction that it grows. According to ר”מ why is it permitted to bind the Lulav with gold band as gold doesn’t grow from the ground so should not be limited to דרך גדילתו? See רש”ש
