Special shout out to Bruce Goldberg and Dr Cohen for sending in their summary of the previous Sugya. Please give yourself the greatest gift, the feeling of joy of clarity and accomplishment, by writing a summary of the last Sugya.Learn משנה דף מב (bottom of the Amud) and the גמרא מב: איבעיא until “סבר רב יוסף”
Questions:
What is the reason that רבי יהודה would be lenient and permit placing items in a Kli Rishon except if it has brine?
What is the reason that רבי יהודה would be stringent and prohibit placing items in a Kli Sheini that has brine?
Does this prohibition apply to all food items?
Learn תוס’ “לכל
The Mishna delineates difference between a Kli Rishon and a Kli Sheini.
What is the Halacha in regards to pouring liquids from a Kli Rishon on to a food item?
What is the difference between Tosfos תוס’ “והתניא and the Rambam?
See ביאור הלכה ס’ שי”ט סע’ א “ובורר
Learn גמרא שבת דף עד. “כי אתא רב דימי” (eight lines from bottom of the Amud) until “חזקיה
Questions:
What is the reason to suggest it is prohibited to remove good from the bad when serving to the guests immediately?
Learn תוס’ “אלא ידענא
Clarify why according to Tosfos it might possibly be prohibited.
What is the uncertainty?
Learn מהר”ם who asks a question on Tosfos
Learn ח’ ב”ח for a different explanation as to why remove good from the bad when serving to the guests immediately could possibly be prohibited.
Learn רש”י “ושדא קמייהו
Rashi says the fruit was mixed with leaves and by spreading it out on the table the fruit separated from the leaves automatically.
Why according to Rashi is there a potential issue of borrer?
Is this the same explanation of Tosfos?
Learn מהרש”א who asks on Rashi – Why is it permitted to scatter the contents causing the fruit to become unmixed. Why isn’t this considered Borer as the objective of Borer was accomplished – separating the fruit from the leaves?
Is this also a question according to the Ramban?
Halachic Conclusion:
Is it permitted to cause a mixture to become unmixed by scattering the mixture?
I was so excited to receive a summary yesterday of the Sugya we are completing by Dr. Cohen.
Please write a summary of
The argument between Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai.
The different reasons (Rashi, Tosfos, Ran) why it is permitted to pour hot water from a Kli Rishon into a cup of cold water.
The different explanations (Rashi, Tosfos, Ran, Rashba) whether אמבטיה is a Kli Rishon or Kli Sheini and why it is forbidden according to everyone to pour cold water into a hot אמבטיה.
List a stringency and leniency according to the Ran and according to the Tosfos.
Do we conclude lhalacha like Bais Hillel or like ר’ שמעון בן מנסיא?
Review “תוס’ “מי
Learn רי”ף
Learn ר”ן
Learn the גמרא דף מב. “אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud) until the Mishna
Learn תוס’ “נותן
Learn תוס’ “שאני
Bottom line Halacha
Learn שו”ע או”ח ס’ שי”ח סע’ יא & יב with the משנה ברורה
Write a summary of the argument between Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai.
List the different reasons (Rashi, Tosfos, Ran) why it is permitted to pour hot water from a Kli Rishon into a cup of cold water.
Write a summary of the difference explanations (Rashi, Tosfos, Ran, Rashba) whether אמבטיה is a Kli Rishon or Kli Sheini and why it is forbidden according to everyone to pour cold water into a hot אמבטיה.
List a stringency and leniency according to the Ran
List a stringency and leniency according to the Tosfos
Very quickly review the גמרא דף מב. “סבר רב יוסף למימר until אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)
Do we conclude lhalacha like Bais Hillel or like ר’ שמעון בן מנסיא?
Learn תוס’ “מי
Learn ריף
Learn ר”ן
Learn the גמרא דף מב. “אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud) until the Mishna
Learn תוס’ “נותן
Learn תוס’ “שאני
Bottom line Halacha
Learn ערוך אורח חיים ס’ שי”ח סע’ יא & יב with the משנה ברורה
Please see write out the argument between Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai. Where they agree and where they argue, the difference between a cup and a bath.
Quickly review the גמרא דף מב. “סבר רב יוסף למימר until אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)
Tosfos (תוס’ “אבל) explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini.
Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini
See שער הציון ס’ שי”ח אות קה
According to the Ran is the אמבטיה a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini?
Quickly review the “גמרא דף מב. “סבר רב יוסף למימר until אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)
Review “תוס’ “אבל
Tosfos explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini.
Why is it forbidden to pour cold water into the bath if it’s a Kli Sheini?
According to Tosfos – Why does everyone agree it is forbidden to pour cold water into a bath – Kli Sheini – of hot water as a gezaira to prevent one from pouring into a Kli Rishon, yet to pour cold water into a cup which is a Kli Sheini is a dispute between Beis Shammai and Bais Hillel if we make a Gezaira?
Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini
Learn the גמרא דף מב. “סבר רב יוסף למימר until אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)
Review תוס’ “אבל
Tosfos explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini.
Why is it forbidden to pour cold water into the bath if it’s a Kli Sheini?
According to Tosfos – Why does everyone agree it is forbidden to pour cold water into a bath – Kli Sheini – of hot water as a gezaira to prevent one from pouring into a Kli Rishon, yet to pour cold water into a cup which is a Kli Sheini is a dispute between Beis Shammai and Bais Hillel if we make a Gezaira?
Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini
Learn the גמרא דף מב. “סבר רב יוסף למימר until אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)
Review תוס’ “אבל
Tosfos explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini.
Why is it forbidden to pour cold water into the bath if it’s a Kli Sheini?
Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini
Tosfos – תוס’ “נותן have a new explanation to the case of חמין לתוך צונן & צונן לתוך חמין different than Rashi.
Rashi – dependant on the cup that is being poured into as that is תתאה גבר
Tosfos – it is not dependent on תתאה גבר. Rather it’s dependant on volume. According to Bais Shammai if the hot water has a larger volume than the cold water than it is prohibited to mix the them.
Very quickly review גמרא דף מב. “אבל נותן (two dots – ten lines from top of the Amud) until “סבר רב יוסף למימר”
Quickly review תוס’ “נותן
Questions:
The דף מ עמ’ ב stated that a Kli Sheini does not cook. Why is it prohibited to pour cold water into a cup of Kli Sheini – hot water according to Beis Shammai?
Rashi says because of תתאה גבר
Tosfos – תוס’ “נותן – says it’s a gezaira drabanan so person won’t come to pour cold water into a Kli Rishon.
According to Rashi why does בית הלל permit pouring cold water into a cup of hot water?
How does Rashi answer the questions of Tosfos regarding תתאה גבר ?
What is the exact case of חמין לתוך צונן & צונן לתוך חמין?
Note – how Tosfos explains the case of pouring hot water into cold water and vice versa
Review תוס’ “אבל
Tosfos explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini.
Why is it forbidden to pour cold water into the bath if it’s a Kli Sheini?
Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini
Review גמרא דף מב. “אבל נותן (two dots – ten lines from top of the Amud) until “סבר רב יוסף למימר”
Learn תוס’ “נותן
Questions:
What is the point of dispute between בית שמאי and בית הלל in regards to pouring cold water into a cup of hot water – According to Rashi & according to Tosfos?
Note – how Tosfos explains the case of pouring hot water into cold water and vice versa
What is the point of argument between Rashi and Tosfos?
What possible answers could we suggest for Rashi from the questions of Tosfos?
Learn רמב”ן פ’ נצבים ל:יא-יד who learns the mitzvah of Teshuva from a pasuk in Sefer Devarim and the obligation to say vidui from the words “its in your mouth and heart ot do”
See the header introductory line of the Rambam of ה’ תשובה פרק א
See משך חכמה פרשת וילך לא:יז “ואמר who asks why should there be a specific mitzvah of Teshuva if one is required to stop and not commit the sin again because of the original command in the torah?
Why does the Gemara compare reciting vidui to immersing in a mikvah?
It seems saying Vidui without stopping to commit the aviera is considered worthless. Why does the Gemara compare reciting vidui to immersing in a mikvah which indicates there is some purification process?
Learn רמב”ן פ’ נצבים ל:יא-יד who learns the mitzvah of Teshuva from a pasuk in Sefer Devarim and the obligation to say vidui from the words “its in your mouth and heart ot do”
See the header introductory line of the Rambam of ה’ תשובה פרק א
See משך חכמה פרשת וילך לא:יז “ואמר who asks why should there be a specific mitzvah of Teshuva if one is required to stop and not commit the sin again because of the original command in the torah?
Why does the Gemara compare reciting vidui to immersing in a mikvah?
It seems saying Vidui without stopping to commit the aviera is considered worthless. Why does the Gemara compare reciting vidui to immersing in a mikvah which indicates there is some purification process?
See the header introductory line of the Rambam of ה’ תשובה פרק א
Why is it necessary to say vidui? Why is it not sufficient to just stop violating the aveira, regret violating in the past and commit to not to repeat the violation?
ery quickly review גמרא דף מב. “למימרא until the two dots (ten lines from top of the Amud)
Question:
Why does the Gemara assume if Shmuel rules like Rebbe Yehuda who is stringent by a מלאכה שאינה צריכה לגופה he must also rule like Rebbe Yehuda to be stringent by a דבר שאין מתכוון?
Learn תוס’ דף מב. “אפילו של עץ (until “ולרבי יהודה “- ninth narrow line)
Review גמרא דף מב. “למימרא until the two dots (ten lines from top of the Amud)
Questions:
What is the difference between a מלאכה שאינה צריכה לגופה and a דבר שאין מתכוון?
Why does the Gemara assume if Shmuel rules like Rebbe Yehuda who is stringent by a מלאכה שאינה צריכה לגופה he must also rule like Rebbe Yehuda to be stringent by a דבר שאין מתכוון?
Learn תוס’ דף מב. “אפילו של עץ (until “ולרבי יהודה “- ninth narrow line)
