Is the Rema explaining or arguing on the Mechaber?
Learn מגן אברהם ס”ק י”ח
who says there are many items that cook easily even inside a Kli Sheini and since we are not experts on which items fall in this category we must be stringent and not put items inside a Kli Sheini.
Learn מגן אברהם ס”ק י”ט
Who brings the opinion of Tosfos that is forbidden to place items inside a Kli Sheini because it’s מיחזי כמבשל.
Tosfos gave two explanations according to the Rabbeim Tam (who holds Irui Kli Rishon has the status of a Kli Rishon) whether it is permitted to place uncooked food inside a Kli Sheini.
Do we rule with the stringent explanation of Tosfos that it is prohibited as it is מיחזי כמבשל?
We learnt Tosfos (תוס’ דף מב: “אבל) who brings a machlokes Rishonim whether liquids being poured from a Kli Rishon have a status of Kli Rishon or Kli Sheini – עירוי כלי ראשון ככלי ראשון או ככלי שני.
List the three opinions quotes in Tosfos
Review אגלי טל מלאכה אופה ס”ק ל”א אות א who lists a fourth opinion (Rabbeinu Yonah).
And how he explains each Rishon refutes the proof against them.
Tosfos (תוס’ דף מב: “אבל) presented a machlokes between the Rashbam and the Ri/Rabbeinu Tam whether liquids being poured from a Kli Rishon have a status of Kli Rishon or Kli Sheini – עירוי כלי ראשון ככלי ראשון או ככלי שני.
Review the משנה דף לט and learn תוס’ דף לט “כל in regards to what is permitted to pour hot liquids from a Kli Rishon and what is permitted to be placed inside a Kli Shieni.
The Rishonim discuss this machlokes at length and bring different proofs
See ר”ן & רא”ש (they are lengthy – see it quickly to get an overview)
Learn אגלי טל מלאכה אופה ס”ק ל”א אות א who lists the three opinions brought in Tosfos and an additional fourth opinion (Rabbeinu Yonah). See how he explains each one answers the proofs against them.
Review משנה דף מב (bottom of the Amud) and the גמרא מב: איבעיא until “סבר רב יוסף”
The Gemara concluded that רבי יהודה permit placing items in a Kli Rishon except if it has brine
Review תוס’ “לכל Question: Why is this permission limited to spices?
The Mishna delineates difference between a Kli Rishon and a Kli Sheini. What is the status of liquids while they are being poured from a Kli Rishon?
Bring a proof from the Mishna
Learn תוס’ “אבל who brings a machlokes whether they have a status of Kli Rishon or Kli Sheini – עירוי כלי ראשון ככלי ראשון או ככלי שני
What is the basis for the opinion that it has the status of Kli Rishon? What is the basis for the opinion that it has the status of Kli Sheini? List the proofs for each position
Special shout out to Bruce Goldberg and Dr Cohen for sending in their summary of the previous Sugya. Please give yourself the greatest gift, the feeling of joy of clarity and accomplishment, by writing a summary of the last Sugya.Learn משנה דף מב (bottom of the Amud) and the גמרא מב: איבעיא until “סבר רב יוסף”
Questions:
What is the reason that רבי יהודה would be lenient and permit placing items in a Kli Rishon except if it has brine?
What is the reason that רבי יהודה would be stringent and prohibit placing items in a Kli Sheini that has brine?
Does this prohibition apply to all food items?
Learn תוס’ “לכל
The Mishna delineates difference between a Kli Rishon and a Kli Sheini.
What is the Halacha in regards to pouring liquids from a Kli Rishon on to a food item?
