B) As long as there is no specific intent not to return?
What is the halacha if a pot slides off the blech onto the countertop, may it be returned to the blech?
If the electricity or fire goes out is it permitted to move the pot to a different fire?
Review ה’ רע”א ס’ רנ”ג אות ו
What is the reason if someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and places it on the ground it is prohibited to return it to the stovetop?
According to Rebbe Akiva Eiger what is the machlokes between Tosfos and the Rash whether it is permitted to return a pot to the stovetop that was removed from the fire without permission of the owner without intent to return it to the fire but it is still in his hand?
Learn אבי עזרי ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י who asks a question on Rebbe Akiva Eiger
Learn ביאור הלכה ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב “ואם הניח על גבי קרקע which summarizes the halacha of the case of Rebbe Akiva Eiger
Based on Rebbe Akiva Eiger what should be the halacha in the case a pot slides off the stovetop?
What is the point of disagreement between Rav Shach (אבי עזרי) and Rebbe Akiva Eiger?
See letter in back of ספר אורחת שבת ח”א from Hagaon Rav Shmuel Aurbach zt”l for an answer to the question of Rav Shach.
If someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and places it in the ground is it permitted to return it to the stovetop?
If someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and does not have intent to return it to the fire but it is still in his hand. Is it permitted to return it to the stovetop?
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Point to consider
Is the requirement of דעתו להחזיר to have specific intent to return or as long as do not have specific intent not to return?
What is the halacha if a pot slides off the blech onto the countertop, may it be returned to the blech?
If the electricity or fire goes out is it permitted to move the pot to a different fire?
What is the reason if someone removed your pot from the fire on Shabbos and placed it on the ground it is prohibited to return it to the stovetop?
According to Rebbe Akiva Eiger what is the machlokes between Tosfos and the Rash whether it is permitted to return a pot to the stovetop that was removed from the fire without permission of the owner without intent to return it to the fire but it is still in his hand?
Learn אבי עזרי ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י who asks a question on Rebbe Akiva Eiger
Based on Rebbe Akiva Eiger what should be the halacha in the case a pot slides off the stovetop?
What is the point of disagreement between Rav Shach (אבי עזרי) and Rebbe Akiva Eiger?
See letter in back of ספר אורחת שבת ח”א from Hagaon Rav Shmuel Auerbach zt”l for an answer to the question of Rav Shach.
The Gemara records a story in which Rebbe Elazar Ben Azaria and Rebbe Akiva went into a bath house to be מזיע. Afterwards they went into the outer room in which the hot water was covered by boards and showered.
Did they take a hot shower or cold shower?
Learn תוס’ “אלא
The Gemara says the bathhouse attendants started hearing water on Shabbos and saying it was heated on Friday. Was the Rabanan concerned that a Jewish person would intentionally violate Shabbos by heating up water?
Learn ר”ן “אמר ר’ שמעון בן פזי
The Braissa says that it is permitted to enter a bathhouse להזיע on Yom tov. Is it also permitted on Shabbos?
Does the Rabinic prohibition of bathing ones body in hot water also prohibit entering a bathhouse להזיע on Yom tov?
The Gemara says the bathhouse attendants started hearing water on Shabbos and saying it was heated on Friday. Was the Rabanan concerned that a Jewish person would intentionally violate Shabbos by hearing up water?
Learn ר”ן “אמר ר’ שמעון בן פזי
The Braissa says that it is permitted to enter a bathhouse להזיע on Yom tov. Is it also permitted on Shabbos?
Does the Rabinic prohibition of bathing ones body in hot water also prohibit entering a bathhouse להזיע on Yom tov?
Focus on the יש אומרים שכל זה אינו אסור – the chidush of the ר”ן from the ירושלמי
See משנה ברורה ס”ק סג-סז
Major Question:
Why does the Mishna Berura not permit returning a pot to the fire when it was placed on the ground with intent to return as the Rema says was the accepted practice?
Can we rely on the ruling of the ר”ן in cases of בדיעבד ?
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See שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק א סעיף כא-כב
And קובץ הלכות פרק כו סעיף מה with footnote סג
Is the requirement of דעתו להחזיר to have specific intent to return or as long as do not have specific intent not to return.
What is the halacha if a pot slides off the blech on to the counter top, may it be returned to the blech?
If the electricity or fire goes out is it permitted to move the pot to a different fire?
Learn הגהות רע”א על שולחן ערוך ס’ רנ”ג אות ו
What is the reason if someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and places it on the ground it is prohibited to return it to the stovetop?
According to Rebbe Akiva Eiger what is the machlokes between Tosfos and the Rash whether it is permitted to return a pot to the stovetop that was removes from the fire without permission of the owner without intent to return it to the fire but it is still in his hand?
Learn אבי עזרי ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י who asks a question on Rebbe Akiva Eiger
Based on Rebbe Akiva Eiger what should be the halacha in the case a pot slides off the stovetop?
What is the point of disagreement between Rav Shach (אבי עזרי) and Rebbe Akiva Eiger?
See letter in back of ספר אורחת שבת ח”א from Hagaon Rav Shmuel Auerbach zt”l for an answer to the question of Rav Shach.
The Gemara says the bathhouse attendants started hearing water on Shabbos and saying it was heated on Friday. Was the Rabanan concerned that a Jewish person would intentionally violate Shabbos by hearing up water?
Learn ר”ן “אמר ר’ שמעון בן פזי
The Braissa says that it is permitted to enter a bathhouse להזיע on Yom tov. Is it also permitted on Shabbos?
Does the Rabinic prohibition of bathing ones body in hot water also prohibit entering a bathhouse להזיע on Yom tov?
Review the גמרא דף מ. “איתמר until א”ל רב יוסף לאביי” (middle of the Amud) Continue learning the Gemara until “אמר רבא” (last line of the Amud) Learn תוס’ “למוצאי
Focus on the יש אומרים שכל זה אינו אסור – the chidush of the ר”ן from the ירושלמי
See משנה ברורה ס”ק סג-סז
Major Question:
Why does the Mishna Berura not permit returning a pot to the fire when it was placed on the ground with intent to return as the Rema says was the accepted practice?
Can we rely on the ruling of the ר”ן in cases of בדיעבד ?
How do we rule l’halacha in regards to the conditions of עודה בידו and דעתו להחזיר in order to return pot onto a stovetop as the Gemara lists different opinions whether both, one or none are required?
In the event that a pot was removed from the stovetop and lacking the condition of either holding on hand or intent to return may one return the pot to the fire?
Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “לא שנו
Learn רא”ש ס’ ב last two lines
Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק ג הלכה י
Learn טור ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב
Learn beginning of שולחן ערוך ס’ רנ”ג סעיף ב
What is the ruling of the Mechaber?
What is the ruling of the Rema?
What is the Rema adding by stating the condition of עודה בידו to the Mechaber who says if placed on ground it may not be returned?
Very quickly review the גמרא דף לח: “בעי רב אשי פינה ממיחם למיחם (line before the Mishna) until the Mishna
Question:
What is the uncertainty in the case of פינה ממיחם למיחם (transferring the food to a different pot) whether it is permitted to return the second pot to the stove?
Clarify how the explanation of רש”י “פינה is different than תוס’ “פינה
Major Question:
Tosfos says there is a potential concern when one transfers hot food into a second pot that one might come to stoke the coals. How could there be a חשש שמא יחתה when we are dealing with a stove that is גרוף וקטום?
Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “בעי רב אשי for an additional two answers
How are the two explanations of the Ran different than each other?
How are the two explanations of the Ran different than Tosfos?
According to the Ran what is the Halacha in regards to returning the second kettle to the fire. Is it permitted or prohibited?
Halachic Conclusion:
What is the halachik conclusion of פינה ממיחם למיחם ?
May one transfer the contents of a Crock-Pot into a second pot and return the second pot to the fire?
The Ran says if one returns the contents back to the original pot it is possibly prohibited to return the pot to the fire as it is considered he placed the pot on the ground when placing it into the second pot. Why would this reasoning not prohibit returning the second pot itself to the fire?
See קובץ הלכות פרק כו הערה עג
According to the Mishna Berura is it permitted if the water is placed into a cup and then poured into the Crock-Pot?
See שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק א הערה מט
According to the Magen Avraham is it permitted to add hot water directly from a hot water urn into a crock pot?
Write out the three explanations of Tosfos as to why one may not use the water that was placed inside the חמי טבריא.
Questions:
The prohibition of submerging an egg in sand according to ר’ יוסי based on רבה – is to prevent a person from mistakenly concluding that one may submerge an egg inside רמץ on Shabbos.
Is it permitted to submerge the egg on Friday?
If yes then how is it comparable to the case of immersing a pipe of cold water inside the חמי טבריא which was on Friday?
Does רב יוסף also agree there is a concern שמא יטמין ברמץ ?
Review תוס’ דף לט. “אלא
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