Category: Shabbos

Sugya – מיגו דאתקצאי

There is a major machlokes between ר”י & ר”ש if a lantern that was lit at the begining of Shabbos remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame is extinguished. 

This machlokes is contingent on the concept of מיגו דאתקצאי – something which is Muktza during Bein Hashmoshas remains Muktza for the entire Shabbos.

Major Question:

What is the reasoning of מיגו דאתקצאי?

Review the אפיקי ים חלק ב ס’ יט – first two paragraphs.

Why does ר”ש not hold of – מיגו דאתקצאי?

Learn אפיקי ים חלק ב ס’ יט – (page רד bottom of the right column “והנה” for an incredible explanation)

The Gemara brought two opinions in regards to a large container of oil if ר”ש agrees that it is muktza even after the flame goes out.

What is the explanation for their argument?

Learn אפיקי ים חלק ב ס’ יט – (page רד bottom of the left column “ומה נעים” for an incredible explanation. 

Learn רשב”א חולין דף טו.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40907&st=&pgnum=215

Learn חזון איש ס’ מא אות ד for a different explanation than the אפיקי ים

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=125&hilite=

Quickly review תוס’ “לדברי

Question:

Based on what we learnt from the אפיקי ים and the Chazon Ish how can we explain the logic that only when there is a combination of מוקצה מחמת איסור and מוקצה מחמת מיאוס will we say מיגו דאתקצאי 

Sugya – מיגו דאתקצאי

Quickly review the גמרא דף מד. “א”ר זירא (two lines before the wide lines) until the two dots (two lines from bottom of the Amud)

Review תוס’ “לדברי

Question:

Tosfos says that although neither מוקצה מחמת איסור or מוקצה מחמת מיאוס is enough of a logic to make an item Muktzah when they are combined it will render the item Muktzah.

What is the reasoning for this?

Major Question:

What is the reasoning of מיגו דאתקצאי something which is Muktza during Bein Hashmoshas remains Muktza for the entire Shabbos?

Why does ר”ש not hold of   – מיגו דאתקצאי  – it does not remain Muktza for the entire Shabbos?

The Gemara earlier brought two opinions in regards to a large container of oil if ר”ש agrees that it is muktza even after the fame goes out.

What is the explanation for their argument?

Learn  אפיקי ים חלק ב ס’ יט (attached)

See רשב”א חולין דף טו.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40907&st=&pgnum=215

See חזון איש ס’ מא אות ד

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=125&hilite=

Learn the גמרא דף מד.  “א”ר זירא (two lines before the wide lines) until the two dots (two lines from bottom of the Amud)

Learn תוס’ “לדברי

Question:

Tosfos says that although neither מוקצה מחמת איסור or מוקצה מחמת מיאוס is enough of a logic to make an item Muktzah when they are combined it will render the item Muktzah.

What is the reasoning for this?

Review the גמרא דף מד. “אבל כוס קערה ועששית until “א”ר זירא (two lines before the wide lines)

Questions:

Why does ר”ש agree that a כוס קערה ועששית remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame went out?

Learn ריטב”א 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&st=&pgnum=198

Does רבי אליעזר בן רבי שמעון also agree that a כוס קערה ועששית remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame went out?

Learn ח’ ר”ן 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40873&st=&pgnum=55

What is the point of dispute between ר”ש & רבי אליעזר בן רבי שמעון in regards to the oil that drips out of the lantern while the flame is still burning?

Learn רשב”א

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40907&st=&pgnum=65

Learn ח’ ר”ן

Important point :

Does ר”ש agree to the concept of מיגו דאתקצאי ?

Bring a proof 

Very quickly review משנה דף מד and the גמרא until “אבל כוס קערה ועששית (middle of the Amud)

Questions:

Why is the נר Muktzah?

Why is a נר ישן של חרס Muktzah?

What is the point of dispute between ר”י & ר”ש in regards to מוקצה מחמת מיאוס?

What is the point of dispute between ר”ש & רבי אליעזר בן רבי שמעון in regards to the oil that drips out of the lantern while the flame is still burning?

Learn רשב”א 

Learn ח’ ר”ן 

Learn the גמרא דף מד. “אבל כוס קערה ועששית until “א”ר זירא (two lines before the wide lines)

Questions: 

According to ר”מ why does a lantern that was lit when Shabbos started remain Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame went out?

Why does ר”ש agree that a כוס קערה ועששית remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame went out?

Learn ריטב”א 

Does רבי אליעזר בן רבי שמעון also agree that a כוס קערה ועששית remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame went out?

Learn ח’ ר”ן 

Learn משנה דף מד and the גמרא until “אבל כוס קערה ועששית (middle of the Amud)

There are many points and disputes in this sugya.

Why is the lantern Muktzah?

Why is a used pottery lantern Muktzah?

What is the point of dispute between ר”י & ר”ש?

Why is the oil Muktzah?

Why is a lantern that was lit when Shabbos started Muktzah?

What is the point of dispute between ר”מ, ר”ש & ר”א בר ר”ש?

Continue learning the גמרא דף מד. “אבל כוס קערה ועששית until “א”ר זירא (two lines before the wide lines)

Why does ר”ש agree it is Muktzah?

Does ר”א בר ר”ש also agree?

What is the point of dispute between the מהרש”א on תוס’ דף מב: “אין and the גליון הש”ס on Tosfos 

List the different reasons why the oil is Muktzah and the נפקא מינה between the reasons 

Learn משנה דף מד and the גמרא until “אבל כוס קערה ועששית (middle of the Amud)

Very quickly review תוס’ דף מב: “ואין

Is the oil Muktza to move or just prohibited to use?

Learn מהרש”א on Tosfos 

According to ר”ש is the oil that drips out while the lantern is still burning just Muktza in regards to using the oil or also Muktzah for moving? – learn גליון הש”ס on Tosfos 

List the different reasons why the oil is Muktzah and the נפקא מינה between the reasons 

Learn משנה דף מד and the גמרא until “אבל כוס קערה ועששית (middle of the Amud)

Quickly review the גמרא דף מד. “אין נאותים until the Mishna 

Learn תוס’ דף מב: ואין

Is the oil Muktza to move or just prohibited to use?

Learn מהרש”א on Tosfos 

The different reasons why the oil is Muktzah and the נפקא מינה between the reasons 

Learn משנה דף מד and the גמרא until “אבל כוס קערה ועששית (middle of the Amud)

Learn גמרא דף מד. “אין נאותים until the Mishna 

Learn תוס’ “שבנר

Learn תוס’ דף מג: ואין

See מהרש”א on Tosfos 

Sugya: טלטול מן הצד 

Please write a summary (include as sources) of how we conclude lhalacha in regards to 

1. Moving Muktzah through טלטול מן הצד

2.The reason it is permitted 

3. Moving Muktzah with ones body טלטול בגופו 

The שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ ח 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=234

The שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ ח also permits טלטול בגופו even for the purpose of the Muktzah item.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=234

The רמ”א ס’ ש”ח סע’ ג 

And משנה ברורה ס’ ש”ח ס”ק יג which permits טלטול בגופו

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=215

The  חזון איש ס’ מז ס”ק יב-יד 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=141

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=142

See תשובה מהגאון ר’ משה פיינשטיין in back of Sefer Muktzah from Rabbi Pinchas Bodner אות לב

See שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק כח הערה נט

The גמרא דף מד concludes that טלטול מן הצד for the purpose of moving the Muktzah item is prohibited. However in a case where there is a dead body in a house that’s on fire one may move the body. 

Question:

Is the special permission given to move the body directly or just by using טלטול מן הצד?

Learn ר”ן 

Learn גמרא דף מד. “אין נאותים until the Mishna 

Learn תוס’ “שבנר

Learn תוס’ דף מג: ואין

Sugya: טלטול מן הצד 

How do we conclude lhalacha in regards to moving Muktzah through טלטול מן הצד?

The שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ ח makes a distinction between moving for the purpose of the Muktzah item (prohibited) or for the non Muktza item (permitted) – לצורך דבר המותר או לדבר האסור 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=234

What is the logic of this distinction; Either indirect movement is considered movement or it is not considered movement, how does the intent of the movement affect the permissibility?

There are two approaches to explain this 

1. Review שו”ע ס’ ש”ט סע’ ד, with the משנה ברורה ס”ק יד and the שער הציון ס’ ש”ט אות יז who gives a reason for the distinction 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=228

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=229

2. Review חזון איש ס’ מז ס”ק יב-יד who gives a different reason for the distinction and argues on the Shulchan Aruch. 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=141

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=142

Moving Muktzah with ones body – טלטול בגופו 

The שו”ע ס’ שי”א סע’ ח also permits טלטול בגופו even for the purpose of the Muktzah item.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=234

The רמ”א ס’ ש”ח סע’ ג which permits moving Muktzah by blowing it. 

See משנה ברורה ס’ ש”ח ס”ק יג which permits טלטול בגופו

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&st=&pgnum=215

The Chazon Ish (above) argues on the leniency of moving Muktzah with ones body for the purpose of the Muktzah item. 

How does the Chazon Ish explain 

The Mishna which permits moving straw with ones back?

See תשובה מהגאון ר’ משה פיינשטיין in back of Sefer Muktzah from Rabbi Pinchas Bodner אות לב

See שמירת שבת כהלכתו פרק כח הערה נט

The גמרא דף מד concludes that טלטול מן הצד for the purpose of moving the Muktzah item is prohibited. However in a case where there is a dead body in a house that’s on fire one may move the body. 

Question:

Is the special permission given to move the body directly or just by using טלטול מן הצד?

Learn ר”ן 

Learn גמרא דף מד. “אין נאותים until the Mishna 

Learn תוס’ “שבנר

Learn תוס’ דף מג: ואין