Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah יום שלישי Cheshvan 4 Daf 38a – 38b (11/05/24)
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Write a summary of the four explanations we discussed last week of the question of the Gemara עבר ושהה מהו
Rashi
Tosfos
Rosh – explanation #1
Rosh – explanation #2
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Questions:
The Gemara above discussed the halacha if someone violates the prohibition of שהייה. What is the Gemara question now עבר ושהה מאי?
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Why does Rashi explain the question of the Gemara different than Tosfos?
How does Rashi answer the question of Tosfos that the Gemara already ruled if one intentionally leaves food on the stove it is prohibited?
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Learn רא”ש פרק ג’ סוף ס’ א “עבר ושהה who gives two other explanations to the Gemara.
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Questions:
The Gemara above discussed the halacha if someone violates the prohibition of שהייה. What is the Gemara question now עבר ושהה מאי?
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Why doesn’t Tosfos explain the question of the Gemara also according to חנניא when the food is cooked less than מאכל בן דרוסאי like Tosfos did above תוס’ לח. “שכח
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Why does Rashi explain the question of the Gemara different than Tosfos?
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Questions:
The Gemara above discussed the halacha if someone violates the prohibition of שהייה. What is the Gemara question now עבר ושהה מאי?
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Does Rashi explain the question of the Gemara the same as Tosfos?
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Questions:
The Gemara above discussed the halacha if someone violates the prohibition of שהייה. What is the Gemara question now עבר ושהה מאי?
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Does Rashi explain the question of the Gemara the same as Tosfos?
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Questions:
What is Rashi’s conclusion if we rule lhalacha in accordance with the רבנן or חנניא?
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According to Rashi how is it permitted to leave bread inside an oven and wafers inside the coals as רב חלבו said it’s only permitted to leave on top of a כירה and not inside?
How does the Rif refute the proof from the משנה גמרא דף יט-כ?
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Questions:
What is Rashi’s conclusion if we rule lhalacha in accordance with the רבנן or חנניא?
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According to Rashi what is the conclusion in regards to leaving food inside a כירה?
How does the Rif refute the proof from the משנה גמרא דף יט-כ?
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Compare this to how Rashi is understanding
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Questions:
What is the conclusion of Rashi as to if we rule lhalacha in accordance with Ramban or Chanania?
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According to Rashi what is the conclusion in regards to leaving food inside a כירה?
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Questions:
What’s the point of argument between Rashi and Tosfos?
What compelled Rashi to explain different then the simple explanation offered by Tosfos?
How can Rashi answer the questions of Tosfos?
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Question:
Is the question whether סמיכה is permitted in to שהייה or חזרה?
Clarify the three explanations of the Gemara question
1. Tosfos
2. Rif
3. Rashba only discusses שהייה?
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Questions:
What’s the point of argument between Rashi and Tosfos?
What compelled Rashi to explain different then the simple explanation offered by Tosfos?
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Question:
Is the question whether סמיכה is permitted in to שהייה or חזרה?
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If the question of the Gemara is in regards to חזרה what is the proof from the braissa which only discusses שהייה?
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What’s the point of argument between Rashi and Tosfos?
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Question :
Is the question whether סמיכה is permitted in to שהייה or חזרה?
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I recommend to make a chart of the different opinions.
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What’s the point of argument between Rashi and Tosfos?
Continue learning the rest of Tosfos
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I recommend to make a chart of the different opinions.
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Covering a lot of Gemara today. I recommend to make a chart of the different opinions.
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Question:
Is חזרה only an issue on Shabbos or even on Friday?
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Question:
Why does the Gemara entertain the Mishna is missing words in order to establish the Mishna like חנניה?
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Questions:
According to Tosfos how does raking out the coals or placing ashes on the גפת ועצים permit one to place cooked food on the Kirah?
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List two differences between Rashi and Tosfos/ Ran in regards to הטמנה and two possible differences in regards to שהייה
According to Tosfos why is הטמנה more stringent than שהייה?
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