Category: Shabbos

Please see write out the argument between Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai. Where they agree and where they argue, the difference between a cup and a bath. 

Quickly review the גמרא דף מב. “סבר רב יוסף למימר until אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)

Tosfos (תוס’ “אבל) explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini. 

Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini 

See שער הציון ס’ שי”ח אות קה 

According to the Ran is the אמבטיה a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini?

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The Ran says a chidush lhalacha that it is prohibited to pour an abundance of cold water into a bath that is a Kli Rishon.  Why?

Learn רשב”א דף מב. “נותן אדם 

Note that line towards the end “אבל באמבטיה שעומדים לרחיצה ”  

How is the Rashba different than the other explanations of the Rishonim?

Do we conclude lhalacha like Bais Hillel or like ר’ שמעון בן מנסיא?

Learn תוס’ “מי

Learn ריף 

Learn ר”ן  

Continue learning the Gemara until the Mishna 

Quickly review the “גמרא דף מב. “סבר רב יוסף למימר until אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)

Review “תוס’ “אבל

Tosfos explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini. 

Why is it forbidden to pour cold water into the bath if it’s a Kli Sheini?

According to Tosfos – Why does everyone agree it is forbidden to pour cold water into a bath – Kli Sheini – of hot water as a gezaira to prevent one from pouring into a Kli Rishon, yet to pour cold water into a cup which is a Kli Sheini is a dispute between Beis Shammai and Bais Hillel if we make a Gezaira?

Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini 

Write out the Sugya 

Continue learning the Gemara until the Mishna 

Learn the גמרא דף מב. “סבר רב יוסף למימר until אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)

Review תוס’ “אבל

Tosfos explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini. 

Why is it forbidden to pour cold water into the bath if it’s a Kli Sheini?

According to Tosfos – Why does everyone agree it is forbidden to pour cold water into a bath – Kli Sheini – of hot water as a gezaira to prevent one from pouring into a Kli Rishon, yet to pour cold water into a cup which is a Kli Sheini is a dispute between Beis Shammai and Bais Hillel if we make a Gezaira?

Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini 

Review רי”ף

Review ר”ן 

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In what way is the Ran’s explanation of the Gemara different than the explanation of Tosfos – תוס’ “נותן? 

Is it permitted to pour an abundance of cold water into a bath that is a Kli Rishon? 

How do we conclude according to halacha?

Learn תוס’ “נותן אדם (second to last Tosfos)

Gutten Chodesh 

Learn the גמרא דף מב. “סבר רב יוסף למימר until אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)

Review תוס’ “אבל

Tosfos explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini. 

Why is it forbidden to pour cold water into the bath if it’s a Kli Sheini?

Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini 

Tosfos – תוס’ “נותן have a new explanation to the case of חמין לתוך צונן & צונן לתוך חמין different than Rashi. 

Rashi – dependant on the cup that is being poured into as that is תתאה גבר 

Tosfos – it is not dependent on תתאה גבר. Rather it’s dependant on volume. According to Bais Shammai if the hot water has a larger volume than the cold water than it is prohibited to mix the them. 

Learn רי”ף

Learn ר”ן 

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In what way is the Ran’s explanation of the Gemara different than the explanation of Tosfos? 

Is it permitted to pour an abundance of cold water into a bath that is a Kli Rishon? 

Gutten Chodesh 

Very quickly review גמרא דף מב. “אבל נותן (two dots – ten lines from top of the Amud) until “סבר רב יוסף למימר” 

Quickly review תוס’ “נותן 

Questions:

The דף מ עמ’ ב stated that a Kli Sheini does not cook. Why is it prohibited to pour cold water into a cup of Kli Sheini – hot water according to Beis Shammai? 

Rashi says because of תתאה גבר

Tosfos – תוס’ “נותן – says it’s a gezaira drabanan so person won’t come to pour cold water into a Kli Rishon. 

According to Rashi why does בית הלל permit pouring cold water into a cup of hot water?

How does Rashi answer the questions of Tosfos regarding תתאה גבר ?

What is the exact case of חמין לתוך צונן & צונן לתוך חמין?

Note – how Tosfos explains the case of pouring hot water into cold water and vice versa 

Review תוס’ “אבל

Tosfos explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini. 

Why is it forbidden to pour cold water into the bath if it’s a Kli Sheini?

Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini 

Learn ר”ן 

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Is the Ran the same or different than the explanation of Tosfos? 

Review גמרא דף מב. “אבל נותן (two dots – ten lines from top of the Amud) until “סבר רב יוסף למימר” 

Learn תוס’ “נותן

Questions:

What is the point of dispute between בית שמאי  and בית הלל in regards to pouring cold water into a cup of hot water – According to Rashi & according to Tosfos?

Note – how Tosfos explains the case of pouring hot water into cold water and vice versa 

What is the point of argument between Rashi and Tosfos?

What possible answers could we suggest for Rashi from the questions of Tosfos?

Is there אמבטיה a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini?

Learn תוס’ “אבל

Learn ר”ן 

Is the Ran the same as Tosfos explanation? 

We will be learning the Sugya of Kli Rishon, Sheini & Shlishi for the next blatt.

Quickly review the משנה דף מא. “המיחם שפינהו (four lines from bottom of the Amud) 

Learn גמרא דף מב. “אבל נותן (two dots – ten lines from top of the Amud) until “סבר רב יוסף למימר” 

Learn תוס’ “נותן

Question: 

What is the point of argument between Rashi and Tosfos?

Learn תוס’ “אבל

Review גמרא דף מב. “למימרא  until the two dots (ten lines from top of the Amud)

Questions:

What is the difference between a מלאכה שאינה צריכה לגופה and a דבר שאין מתכוון?

Why does the Gemara assume if Shmuel rules like Rebbe Yehuda who is stringent by a מלאכה שאינה צריכה לגופה he must also rule like Rebbe Yehuda to be stringent by a דבר שאין מתכוון?

Learn תוס’ דף מב. “אפילו של עץ (until “ולרבי יהודה “- ninth narrow line)

Learn ריטב”א “למימרא 

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Learn תוס’ רא”ש

What is the ruling in regards to a דבר שאין מתכוון when it is a פסיק רישא?

Why is the case of מצרף permitted according to Rebbe Shimon when it seems to be a פסיק רישא?

See תוס’ דף מא: מיחם second wide lines “וצ”ל 

How do we rule in regards to extinguishing a hot piece of metal or wood found in the street? 

Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ של”ד סע’ כז & משנה ברורה 

How do we rule in regards to carrying a dangerous item that is found in the street?

Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ ש”ח סע’ יח & משנה ברורה 

Continue learning the גמרא דף מב. “אבל נותן (two dots) until the Mishna 

List two differences between how Rashi and the Ritva/Tosfos explained Rav and Shmuel on the גמרא דף מא עמוד ב

Learn גמרא דף מב. “למימרא  until the two dots (ten lines from top of the Amud)

Questions:

What is the difference between a מלאכה שאינה צריכה לגופה and a דבר שאין מתכוון?

Why does the Gemara assume if Shmuel rules like Rebbe Yehuda who is stringent by a מלאכה שאינה צריכה לגופה he must also rule like Rebbe Yehuda to be stringent by a דבר שאין מתכוון?

Learn תוס’ דף מב. “אפילו של עץ (until “ולרבי יהודה “- ninth narrow line)

Learn ריטב”א “למימרא 

Learn תוס’ רא”ש

What is the ruling in regards to a דבר שאין מתכוון when it is a פסיק רישא?

Why is the case of מצרף permitted according to Rebbe Shimon when it seems to be a פסיק רישא?

See תוס’ דף מא: מיחם second wide lines “וצ”ל 

Quickly review גמרא דף מא: “אמר רב until דף מב. “למימרא 

Learn ריטב”א דף מא: “אמר רב who brings the questions that Tosfos asks on Rashi in a concise manner and quotes the new explanation of the ר”י

Review תוס’ דף מא: “לא שנו until the bottom of the Amud who asks multiple questions on Rashi and then offers a new explanation from the ר”י

Continue learning the גמרא דף מב. “למימרא  until the two dots (ten lines from top of the Amud)

Learn תוס’ דף מב. “אפילו של עץ

Review the גמרא דף מא: “אמר רב until דף מב. “אבל נותן (two dots – ten lines from top of the Amud)

The Gemara brings a machlokes between Rav & Shmuel qualifying the Mishna and then adjusts the explanation of their qualification.

Write out Rashi explanation 

Chart out the original understanding of Rav and then the change in understanding of Rav and how that affects how Rav explains the Mishna.  

Learn תוס’ דף מא: “לא שנו until the bottom of the Amud 

List the questions Tosfos has on Rashi explanation 

List Tosfos new explanation 

How does Tosfos differ from Rashi?

Review the משנה דף מא. “המיחם שפינהו (second Mishna) and the גמרא דף מא. “מאי קאמר until דף מב. “אבל נותן (two dots – ten lines from top of the Amud)

Chart out the two options of explaining the Mishna and according to which opinion would each of the two options be working with. 

The Gemara brings a machlokes between Rav & Shmuel qualifying the Mishna and then adjusts the explanation of their qualification.

Write out Rashi explanation 

Learn תוס’ דף מא: “לא שנו until the bottom of the Amud 

Write out Tosfos explanation

How does Tosfos differ from Rashi?

Learn the משנה דף מא. “המיחם שפינהו (second Mishna) 

The Gemara will explain the Mishna 

Learn the גמרא דף מא. “מאי קאמר until דף מא: “אמר רב (five lines from bottom of the Amud)

Continue learning the Gemara until דף מב. “אבל נותן (two dots – ten lines from top of the Amud)

Chart out the two options of explaining the Mishna and according to which opinion would each of the two options be working with. 

Conclusion of the “משנה  & גמרא דף מא. “מוליאר 

List the different explanations of the Rishonim of the Mishna and the difference between a מוליאר and an אנטיכי

1. Rashi

2. Tosfos 

3. Ran

4. Ritva – https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40905&st=&pgnum=19

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40905&st=&pgnum=20

See פני יהושע who gives an answer for Rashi

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See ראש יוסף who sums up the Rishonim into three opinions.

In conclusion:

Is the prohibition in the Mishna a prohibition of leaving the water in this urn before Shabbos? Or just a prohibition of drinking the water from this urn?

Learn the Second Mishna on דף מא and the “גמרא דף מא. “מאי קאמר until “דף מא: “אמר רב (five lines from bottom of the Amud)

Very quickly review the משנה דף מא. “מוליאר and the Gemara until the next Mishna 

Review תוס’ “מוליאר 

Questions:

How does Tosfos explanation differ from Rashi?

Learn רשב”א who asks a question on Tosfos

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See פני יהושע who gives an answer

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Learn ריטב”א 

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Learn ר”ן 

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How can we answer Tosfos questions on Rashi? 

In conclusion:

Is the prohibition in the Mishna a prohibition of leaving the water in this urn before Shabbos? Or just a prohibition of drinking the water from this urn?

Review the משנה דף מא. “מוליאר and the Gemara until the next Mishna 

Questions:

Is the prohibition in the Mishna a prohibition of leaving the water in this urn before Shabbos? Or just a prohibition of drinking the water from this urn?

Is the Mishna in accordance with the opinion of the Rabanan who prohibit שהייה on an item that is not fully cooked or חנניה who permits שהייה if the food is cooked כמאכל בן דרוסאי

(At what stage is water considered cooked כמאכל בן דרוסאי?)

Learn תוס’ “מוליאר 

Clarify Tosfos explanation of the Mishna and how it answers all his questions. 

Learn רשב”א who asks on Tosfos

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See פני יהושע who gives an answer

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Learn ריטב”א 

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https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40905&st=&pgnum=20

Learn ר”ן 

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How can we answer Tosfos questions on Rashi?