Rabbi Avraham Meisels: Gemara Pesachim – Second Perek – Kol Sha’ah – Daf 31a – Daf 31b: Tnan Nuchri Shehilva Es Yisrael Al Chemtzo.. (07/14/26)
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Review the גמרא דף מה: “ורבי לית ליה מוקצה (third line) until “ומי אמר ר’ יוחנן” (middle of the Amud)
Questions:
Why would ר”ש agree that certain herding animals are muktzah and may not be slaughtered on Yom Tov?
How are they similar to גרוגרות וצימוקים?
What is the deciding factor to make something Muktzah according to ר”ש?
Questions:
At what point do גרוגרות וצימוקים become Muktzah? – the second Shabbos starts even if they are still edible, or only after they become inedible?
If when Shabbos started they were not ripe and in the middle of Shabbos they became edible, may one eat them?
Review חזון איש ס’ מד אות ו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=137&hilite=
What is the Chazon Ish proof to his point?
Learn ח’ מנחת שלמה who has a different approach than the Chazon Ish
How does the ח’ מנחת שלמה address the proof of the Chazon Ish?
Continue learning the גמרא דף מה: “ומי אמר ר’ יוחנן” (middle of the Amud) until “כי אתא רב יצחק בר’ יוסף”
Learn תוס’ “הכא
Question:
According to Tosfos is a pet animal Muktzah?
Why are live animals Muktzah?
Learn the גמרא דף מה: “ורבי לית ליה מוקצה (third line) until “ומי אמר ר’ יוחנן” (middle of the Amud)
Questions:
Why would ר”ש agree that certain herding animals are muktzah and may not be slaughtered on Yom Tov?
How are they similar to גרוגרות וצימוקים?
What is the deciding factor to make something Muktzah according to ר”ש?
Questions:
Tosfos explains that fruits placed on a rooftop to dry out are not Muktzah according to ר”ש although they are not so enjoyable to eat. They are still considered edible.
What is the chidush according to Tosfos that פצעילי תמרה are not Muktzah according to ר”ש?
What is the הוה אמינא that פצעילי תמרה should be more Muktzah than other fruits which are not so ripe and are not Muktzah?
Learn תוס’ ביצה דף מ. “פצעילי
How is Tosfos explanation different than Rashi?
At what point do גרוגרות וצימוקים become Muktzah? – the second Shabbos starts even if they are still edible, or only after they become inedible?
If when Shabbos started they were not ripe and in the middle of Shabbos they became edible, may one eat them?
Review חזון איש ס’ מד אות ו
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=137&hilite=
What is the Chazon Ish proof to his point?
Learn ח’ מנחת שלמה who has a different approach than the Chazon Ish
How does the ח’ מנחת שלמה address the proof of the Chazon Ish?
Continue learning the גמרא דף מה: “ומי אמר ר’ יוחנן” (middle of the Amud) until “כי אתא רב יצחק בר’ יוסף”
Learn תוס’ “הכא
Conclusion of Sugya – ביטול כלי מהיכנו and אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל
How do we conclude lhalacha?
Is it permitted to be מבטל כלי מהיכנו?
Do we rule like ר’ יצחק that אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל ?
Learn שו”ע או”ח ס’ ש”י סע’ ו and משנה ברורה
Learn שו”ע או”ח ס’ רע”ז סע’ ה
Learn ט”ז ס”ק ח
See משנה ברורה
Topic: טלטול מוקצה ע”י ככר או תינוק
Learn גמרא דף מג: “דא”ר שמואל בר יהודה until “לימא כתנאי” (two lines before the wide lines)
Questions:
Is the permission to carry a dead body by placing a baby or bread on top a permission based on טלטול מן הצד?
Is the permission to carry a Muktzah item by placing bread or baby on top of it limited to a dead person or also for other items of Muktza?
Learn גמרא דף קמב: “מעות שעל הכר (two dots in wide lines) until אביי מנח”
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=2&daf=142b&format=pdf
Learn ריטב”א דף מג: “ואמרינן
Learn תוס’ רי”ד דף מג: “כי פליגי
See גליון הש”ס on the side of our Gemara who asks why can’t the mattress underneath the dead person act in same way as the bread or baby to allow one to move the dead person?
See מגן אברהם ס’ ש”ח ס”ק נא
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=125
Question on the Magen Avraham:
What is the comparison of the permission to move ע”י ככר או תינוק to the case of the table?
See ביאור הלכה ס’ שי”א סע’ דף “יש מי שאומר
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Very quickly review the גמרא דף מה. “אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל (15 lines from bottom of the Amud) until דף מה: “ורבי לית ליה מוקצה (third line).
Continue learning the גמרא דף מה: “ורבי לית ליה מוקצה (third line) until “אמר רבה בר בר חנה”
Question:
Why would ר”ש agree that certain herding animals are muktzah and may not be slaughtered on Yom Tov? How are they similar to גרוגרות וצימוקים?
Summarize
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Summarize the three different explanations we have as to why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל
Learn גמרא דף מג: “אמר לנו רב ששת (middle of the Amud) until איתמר (nine lines before the wide lines)
How do we conclude lhalacha?
Is it permitted to be מבטל כלי מהיכנו?
Do we rule like ר’ יצחק that אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל ?
Learn רי”ף דף קנ”ד: “הגיע לחצר חיצונה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=682
Learn ר”ן
Conclusion L’Halacha
How do we conclude lhalacha?
Is it permitted to be מבטל כלי מהיכנו?
Do we rule like ר’ יצחק that אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל ?
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Learn גמרא דף מג. “תא שמע פורסין מחצלת (third line from bottom of the Amud) until דף מג: “אמר לנו רב ששת (middle of the Amud)
There are two ways to explain the Gemara question on ר”ש
See רש'”י דף מג: אי ר”ש
See גליון הש”ס on רש'”י דף מג: אי ר”ש
See רש”י ביצה דף לו. “במאי
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=8&daf=36&format=pdf
Learn בעל המאור
How does the בעל המאור explain the reason as to why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל?
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=588
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=589
How is it possible to have an item which is Muktzah but still permitted to be moved?
Summarize the three different explanations we have as to why אין כלי ניטל לדבר שאינו ניטל
According to ר’ יצחק is one permitted to cover chometz found on Pesach with a Kli?
Learn גמרא פסחים דף ו. “אמר רב יהודה אמר רב (second wide line) until אמר רבא (next line)
See Rashi
Learn תוס’ “כופה
Question:
See קובץ שיעורים פסחים אות כד who asks
Why is it considered moving the bowl for the purpose of the chometz – muktzah, the purpose for moving the bowl to cover the chometz is for the person to prevent him from accidentally eating it?
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Question:
How do we conclude l’halacha regarding a condition to use an item which is currently unusable when Shabbos starts?
Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ רע”ט סע’ ד and משנה ברורה
And שולחן ערוך ס’ תרל”ח סע’ ב
Question:
Why does the רמ”א who says the Minhag is not to rely on a condition agree that a condition works for Sukkah decorations?
Review the גמרא דף מה. “אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל (15 lines from bottom of the Amud) until “בעי מיניה (last line of the Amud)
Question:
Why are other fruits that were placed on a rooftop to dry out, not Muktzah according to ר”ש?
Learn תוס’ “אלא” & “וכן
How is Tosfos different then Rashi?
What is a classic case of לא דחייה בידים?
Learn תוס’ “היכא
Review תוס’ דף מה. “אלא starting from “תימה לר”י
Tosfos does not answer his question.
Learn תוס’ רא”ש & ח’ רמב”ן for two answers.
Continue learning the גמרא דף מה.”בעי מיניה (last line of the Amud) until דף מה: “ורבי לית ליה מוקצה (third line)
Questions:
Why are פצעילי תמרה not Muktzah according to ר”ש? How are they different then גרוגרות וצימוקים?
What is the reason that ר”ש agrees that גרוגרות וצימוקים are Muktzah?
At what point do they become Muktzah? – the second Shabbos starts even if they are still edible, or only after they become inedible?
If when Shabbos started they were not ripe and in the middle of Shabbos they became edible, may one eat them?
Learn חזון איש ס’ מז אות ו
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When and where does a תנאי – condition help to make an item not Muktzah?
Learn “תוס’ “ואם that a condition only works by סוכה רעועה
Learn “תוס’ דף מד. “שבנר
Learn ר”ן דף מד. “והא דמסקינן and ח’ ר”ן דף מה who brings the opinion of the רמב”ן that a תנאי – condition always works.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&st=&pgnum=591
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40873&st=&pgnum=57
See בית יוסף ס’ רע”ט who brings the opinion of the ריב”ש that a condition does not work.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14265&st=&pgnum=469
Continue learning the גמרא דף מה. “אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל (15 lines from bottom of the Amud) until “בעי מיניה (last line of the Amud)
Learn תוס’ “אלא”, “וכן” & “היכא
What is the reason that ר”ש agrees that גרוגרות וצימוקים are Muktzah?
At what point do they become Muktzah? – the second Shabbos starts even if they are still edible, or only after they become inedible?
If when Shabbos started they were not ripe and in the middle of Shabbos they became edible, may one eat them?
See חזון איש ס’ מז אות ו
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