Rabbi Avraham Meisels: Gemara Avodah Zarah – Fifth Perek: Daf 74b, 75a, 75b (05/09/24)
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Conclusion of the Sugya – “גמרא דף כד: “ההיא רחבה (seven lines from top of the Amud) until “הילכך” (four lines from bottom of the Amud)
Learn תוס’ “ליעבד צורת הפתח
Focus on the new explanation Tosfos gives on the Gemara and continue learning the rest of the Tosfos on the sugyam
Tosfos presents a new explanation in the case of placing a mechitza אגודא דנהרא – at the banks of the river and placing a צורת הפתח by the פומא – entrance of the שביל של כרמים.
Make a chart with the four different solutions and how Rashi explains them and how Tosfos explains them
List the reason why Tosfos differs from Rashi.
Learn the Ritva on the Sugya to answer many of the questions on Rashi
Very quickly review “גמרא דף כד: “ההיא רחבה (seven lines from top of the Amud) until “הילכך” (four lines from bottom of the Amud)
The Gemara presents multiple solutions
Placing a mechitza אגודא דנהרא – at the banks of the river
Placing a צורת הפתח by the פומא – entrance of the שביל של כרמים
Placing a Lechi at the פתח – entrance of the שביל של כרמים
Placing a Lechi at the פתח – entrance of the מבוי דמתא
How does each of these solutions permit one to carry inside each of the three areas?
Why is it not a good solution?
Learn all the Tosfos on the Gemara.
Clarify the questions Tosfos has on Rashi explanation of the various solutions.
Learn the Ritva on the Sugya to answer many of the questions on Rashi
Tosfos presents a new explanation in the case of placing a mechitza אגודא דנהרא – at the banks of the river and placing a צורת הפתח by the פומא – entrance of the שביל של כרמים.
How does this differ from Rashi?
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Review “גמרא דף כד: “ההיא רחבה (seven lines from top of the Amud) until “הילכך” (four lines from bottom of the Amud)
Questions:
Why is it prohibited to carry inside the רחבה? מבוי דמתא? שביל של כרמים?
The Gemara attempts to present multiple solutions
Placing a mechitza אגודא דנהרא – at the banks of the river
Placing a צורת הפתח by the פומא – entrance of the שביל של כרמים
Placing a Lechi at the פתח – entrance of the שביל של כרמים
Placing a Lechi at the פתח – entrance of the מבוי דמתא
How does each of these solutions permit one to carry inside each of the three areas?
Why is it not a good solution?
Learn all the Tosfos on the Gemara.
Clarify the questions Tosfos has on Rashi explanation of the various solutions.
Tosfos presents a new explanation in the case of placing a mechitza אגודא דנהרא – at the banks of the river and placing a צורת הפתח by the פומא – entrance of the שביל של כרמים.
How do they differ from Rashi?
Learn גמרא דף מט: “אמר ריש לקיש (fourth wide line) until דרש רבא”
See מהרש”א for a different explanation than Rashi on how to quench one’s thirst.
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Learn רמב״ם הלכות תמידין ומוספין פרק י הלכה ו & ז
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Question:
Why doesn’t the Rambam bring the halacha of ריש לקיש that they plugged the hole so the wine would fill to the top?
Learn גמרא דף מט: “דרש רבא (ninth wide line) until “א”ר אלעזר גדול העושה צדקה”
Questions:
Why is Klal Yisrael when they are being עולה רגל specifically compared to Avrohom Avinu?
What is the proof that Avrohom was called a נדיב?
See מהרש”א
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Why does Torah have to be taught in private?
Learn רש”י פרשת כי תשא פרק לד פסוק ג
https://www.sefaria.org/Rashi_on_Exodus.34.3?lang=bi
Learn מדרש תנחומא פרשת כי תשא סוף ס’ לא the first set of luchos were smashed as a result of Ayin Hara from the big public forum of the presentation of the luchos!
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14123&st=&pgnum=250
Major Questions:
The Maamad Har Sinai was an integral component of the giving of the Torah. According to the Ramban there is a mitzvah to remember daily Maamad Har Sinai. How do we understand this Midrash?
Learn מכתב מאליהו חלק ב “”מה בין לוחות ראשונים ושניים pages 92-93
And ספר דעת התורה פרשת כי תשא פרק לד פסוק ג
What is so catastrophic about teaching Torah publicly that it lead to the luchos being smashed ?
See ספר דעת תורה פרשת כי תשא פרק לד פסוק ג
See עלי שור חלק ב מאמר פורים page 469-470
Continue learning the גמרא דף מט: “א”ר אלעזר גדול העושה צדקה until א”ר חמא בר פפא (seven lines from bottom of the Amud)
Questions:
Why doesn’t Rebbe elazer say that creating justice is greater than all the korbanos the same as giving tzedaka as both are mentioned in the pasuk?
See מהרש”א
See ערוך לנר for a different explanation
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=193
Why is receiving reward for doing acts of kindness guaranteed but uncertain for giving tzedakah?
Is the second interpretation of Rebbe Elazer of the pasuk discussing tzedakah and chesed a new interpretation or an additional interpretation?
See מהרש”א
See ערוך לנר for a different explanation
Learn מהר”ל נתיבות עולם, נתיב גמילת חסדים סוף פרק ב for an incredible explanation about the difference between tzedakah and chesed and a new explanation for the question above.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14202&st=&pgnum=157
Learn “גמרא דף כד: “ההיא רחבה (seven lines from top of the Amud) until “הילכך” (four lines from bottom of the Amud)
Draw a diagram of the scenario of the Gemara – there are three areas רחבה, מבוי דמתא & שביל של כרמים
Sugya: אפיקומן
We learnt a machlokes between the Rashbam and the Rosh of why we eat matzah for the “Afikomen”?
List the נפקא מינות להלכה we detailed between the Rashbam and the Rosh?
Questions:
How do we conclude l’halacha?
Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ תע”ז סע’ א
How much Matzah does one need to eat for Afikomen?
See מגן אברהם ס”ק א
And משנה ברורה ס”ק א
Does one need to recline when eating the Afikomen?
Does one who forgets to recline when eating the Afikomen need to eat the Afikomen again in a reclining position?
See משנה ברורה ס”ק ד
And שער הציון אות ג
The answer that is given to the question of the chacham in the haggadah is אין מפטירין אחר הפסח אפיקומן
How does that answer his question?
Sugya: אפיקומן
Why do we eat the אפיקומן?
Learn משנה פסחים דף קיט עמוד ב and the Gemara until “לימא מסייע ליה
Focus on רשב”ם דף קיט: “אין מפטירין אחר המצה אפיקומן
Questions:
According to the רשב”ם what is the reason we eat the אפיקומן?
Learn רא”ש פרק י ס’ לד starting from “פ’ רשב”ם
Clarify the question the רא”ש asks on the רשב”ם
According to the רא”ש what is the reason we eat the אפיקומן?
Sugya: אפיקומן
Why do we eat the אפיקומן?
Learn משנה פסחים דף קיט עמוד ב and the Gemara until “לימא מסייע ליה
Focus on רשב”ם דף קיט: “אין מפטירין אחר המצה אפיקומן
Questions:
According to the רשב”ם what is the reason we eat the אפיקומן?
Learn רא”ש פרק י ס’ לד starting from “פ’ רשב”ם
Clarify the question the רא”ש asks on the רשב”ם
According to the רא”ש what is the reason we eat the אפיקומן?
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Review the גמרא דף מט. “תניא א”ר אלעזר בר צדוק” until דף מט: “כמאן אזלא
Continue learning the Gemara until דרש רבא”
Focus today on the position of the Rambam in where and how the Nesachim were done.
Learn רמב״ם הלכות בית הבחירה פרק ב הלכה יא & יב
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&st=&pgnum=8
Question:
Why doesn’t the Rambam mention the chamber between the ramp and the mizbeach?
Learn רמב״ם הלכות תמידין ומוספין פרק י הלכה ו & ז
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&st=&pgnum=177
Question:
Why doesn’t the Rambam bring the halacha of ריש לקיש that they plugged the hole so the wine would fill to the top?
See רדב”ז on side of the Rambam on the רמב״ם הלכות תמידין ומוספין פרק י הלכה ז for an explanation of the procedure of the nesachim according to the Rambam.
Learn רמב״ם הלכות מעשה הקרבנות פרק ב הלכה א
Major Question:
See the ראב”ד who asks on the Rambam contradicts our mishna that the Nesachim were poured into basins on top of the mizbeach and not into the holes on the bottom Yesod of the mizbeach?
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&st=&pgnum=93
Three different explanations
1. Learn כסף משנה “ויוצק על היסוד
2. Learn רדב”ז on side of the Rambam רמב״ם הלכות תמידין ומוספין פרק י הלכה ז “ובקרן דרומית and on side of רמב״ם הלכות מעשה הקרבנות פרק ב הלכה א
3. Learn ערוך לנר מט: “אמר ריש לקיש for an explanation from the ברכת זבח
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=191
Why doesn’t he Rambam bring the halacha of ריש לקיש ?
Learn ערוך לנר מט: “אמר ריש לקיש for an explanation in the Rambam for the nesachim procedure and the placement of the holes where the nesachim were poured.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=191
Sugya: מים מבטל שם דירה
Questions:
According to the conclusion of the Gemara does water which is לא חזי לתשמישתא need to be ten teaching deep in order to be מבטל שם דירה?
Learn ריטב”א דף כד: “וכי (see attachment)
And רא”ש ס’ ד
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Note the machlokes between the Ritva and the Rosh
What’s the central point of their argument?
Does a man made reservoir of water larger than בית סאתים also מבטל שם דירה?
Learn תוס’ דף כד: “לא
Question:
What is the difference between the two explanations of Tosfos?
Learn תוס’ רא”ש (see attachment)
How do we conclude l’halacha?
Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ שנ”ח סע’ י”א with משנה ברורה and “ביאור הלכה “והוא
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Review “גמרא דף כד. “קרפף יותר מבית סאתים
(five lines from bottom of the Amud) until דף כד: “ההיא רחבה (seven lines from top of the Amud)
Questions:
What does it mean “עומקן” ?
See רש”י דף כד: “שאין בעומקן
Learn ריטב”א who brings a different explanation in the name of יש אומרים
According to the conclusion of the Gemara does water which is לא חזי לתשמישתא need to be ten teaching deep in order to be מבטל שם דירה?
Learn ריטב”א דף כד: “וכי
And רא”ש ס’ ד
Note the machlokes between the Ritva and the Rosh
What’s the central point of their argument?
Learn תוס’ דף כד: “לא
Questions:
Why when Dovid dug the שיתין did the waters of the תהום rise and begin to flood the world?
Learn מהרש”א דף נג: “ונשא אחיתופל for an answer
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Why are the שיתין directly underneath the mizbeach?
Learn מהרש”א דף נג. “הני ט”ו שיר המעלות for an answer (same link as the previous)
Review the גמרא דף מט. “תניא א”ר אלעזר בר צדוק” until דף מט: “כמאן אזלא
Continue learning the Gemara until דרש רבא”
Focus today on the position of the Rambam in where and how the Nesachim were done.
Learn רמב״ם הלכות בית הבחירה פרק ב הלכה יא & יב
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&st=&pgnum=8
Question:
Why doesn’t the Rambam mention the chamber between the ramp and the mizbeach?
Learn רמב״ם הלכות תמידין ומוספין פרק י הלכה ו & ז
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&st=&pgnum=177
Question:
Why doesn’t the Rambam bring the halacha of ריש לקיש that they plugged the hole so the wine would fill to the top?
See רדב”ז on side of the Rambam on the רמב״ם הלכות תמידין ומוספין פרק י הלכה ז for an explanation of the procedure of the nesachim according to the Rambam.
Learn רמב״ם הלכות מעשה הקרבנות פרק ב הלכה א
Major Question:
See the ראב”ד who asks on the Rambam contradicts our mishna that the Nesachim were poured into basins on top of the mizbeach and not into the holes on the bottom Yesod of the mizbeach?
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&st=&pgnum=93
Three different explanations
1. Learn כסף משנה “ויוצק על היסוד
2. Learn רדב”ז on side of the Rambam רמב״ם הלכות תמידין ומוספין פרק י הלכה ז “ובקרן דרומית and on side of רמב״ם הלכות מעשה הקרבנות פרק ב הלכה א
3. Learn ערוך לנר מט: “אמר ריש לקיש for an explanation from the ברכת זבח
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=191
Why doesn’t he Rambam bring the halacha of ריש לקיש ?
Learn ערוך לנר מט: “אמר ריש לקיש for an explanation in the Rambam for the nesachim procedure and the placement of the holes where the nesachim were poured.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&st=&pgnum=191
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