Category: Evening Chabura

Topic – חוטם

Question:
What part of the Esrog is the חוטם?
Learn רש”י דף לה: “חוטם and the רא”ש ס’ כ and how he explains Rashi. https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=479

Learn רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ח הלכה ז
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&st=&pgnum=292
Learn שולחן ערוך ס’ תרמ”ח סעיף ט & יב and “ביאור הלכה סעיף ט “ממקום שמתחיל להתקצר” and “ממקום שמתחיל לשפע “

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=237

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=238

Learn שולחן ערוך ס’ תרמ”ח סעיף יב- יד and משנה ברורה

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=238

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=239

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=240

Sugya: Pitum

Learn the “גמרא דף לה: “נטל פטמתו until “נקלף”

Points to Clarify:
What part of the Esrog is the פיטום?
What part of the Esrog is the בוכנא?
What part of the Esrog is the עוקץ?

Is רבי יצחק coming to explain what is a פיטום or to add another disqualifying issue?
Learn “רש”י “תניא רבי יצחק who presents two explanations for the case of נטלה פטמתו
Learn “תוספת “נטלה

Learn the רא”ש ס’ טז – who brings two additional explanations from the ר”ת and the ר”ח and various נפקא מינה.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=479&hilite=

Question:
What’s a halachik נפקא מינה of these two explanations?

Question:
Why is the Esrog pasul when the פיטום falls off?
Why is the Esrog kosher when the עוקץ falls off?
Learn קרבן נתנאל אות ק

What’s the status of the Esrog if the crown on top of the Pitum falls off?
See the ריף דף יז: דפי הריף (top line) and the רן “תאני ר’ יצחק (sixth line from bottom of the Amud)

Topic: חזזית – Blettil
Very quickly review the Gemara from “עלתה חזזית” until נטלה פטמתו

Why does a חזזית disqualify an Esrog?
Review רא”ש ס’ טו “מתניתן who explains the ירושלמי (quoted in תוספת “דף לה: “עלתה)
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=479
(Note: The additional condition the רא”ש adds to what is a חזזית when he is quoting Rashi that the חזזית is raised.
Is that absolutely necessary to disqualify?)

Learn the פרי מגדים – אשל אברהם – אורח חיים ס’ תרמ”ח ס”ק י”ט who presents two reasons for the pasul of חזזית
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&st=&pgnum=344

Questions:
Will a Blettil (scab)- on the surface of the Esrog disqualify as a חזזית?
Learn תרומת הדשן ס’ צט (in middle of last paragraph – starting from אבל פסול דחזזית) for two explanations why it’s kosher? https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=388

What’s a נפקא מיניה between the two reasons?
Learn the שולחן ערוך ס’ תרמ”ח סעיף יג with the משנה ברורה as to the halacha of an Esrog with a Blettil
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=238

Learn the מגן אברהם ס”ק י”ט who explains an important element as to what type of חזזית will disqualify.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=388

Question on the מגן אברהם:
What’s the whole discussion whether a Blettil will disqualify an Esrog as the Blettil is caused by thorns scratching the Esrog while it’s growing?
Learn the ביאור הלכה ס’ תרמ”ח סעיף יג “אבעבעות for an answer.

Topic – חוטם

Question:
What part of the Esrog is the חוטם?
Learn רש”י דף לה: “חוטם and the רא”ש ס’ כ and how he explains Rashi. https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=479

Learn רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ח הלכה ז
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&st=&pgnum=292
Learn שולחן ערוך ס’ תרמ”ח סעיף ט & יב and “ביאור הלכה סעיף ט “ממקום שמתחיל להתקצר” and “ממקום שמתחיל לשפע “

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=237

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=238

Learn שולחן ערוך ס’ תרמ”ח סעיף יב- יד and משנה ברורה

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=238

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=239

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=240

Continue learning the גמרא דף לה: “נטל פטמתו until “נקלף
Learn רש”י “תניא רבי יצחק and תוספת “נטלה

Topic: חזזית
Very quickly review the Gemara from “עלתה חזזית” until נוטלה פטמתו

Is the pasul of חזזית only on the first day or all the days of Sukkos?
Review “תוספת “עלתה
Learn רא”ש ס’ טו “מתניתן who explains why the ירושלמי holds a חזזית will only disqualify an Esrog on the first day of Sukkos.
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=479

Will multiple חזזית disqualify an Esrog because it is מנומר / spotted if they are the same color of the Esrog?
Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “אבל בשנים (in middle of the wide lines) who quotes the opinion of the ראב”ד
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=617

Major Question:
Why should the color make a difference? Shouldn’t the Esrog be disqualified because of the תזזית itself regardless of the coloring?

Why does a חזזית disqualify an Esrog?
Bring a proof from רא”ש ס’ טו “מתניתן who explains the ירושלמי (quoted in תוספת “דף לה: “עלתה)
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=479
(Note: The additional condition the רא”ש adds to what is a חזזית when he is quoting Rash that the חזזית is raised.
Is that absolutely necessary to disqualify?)

Does “רש”י דף לג: “מנומר (first line) definitely disagree with the Rosh?
Learn the פרי מגדים – אשל אברהם – אורח חיים ס’ תרמ”ח ס”ק י”ט who presents two reasons for the pasul of חזזית

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&st=&pgnum=344

Learn the מגן אברהם ס”ק י”ט who explains an important element as to what type of חזזית will disqualify.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=388

Questions:
Will a Blattil (scab)- on the surface of the Esrog disqualify?
Learn תרומת הדשן ס’ צט (second half of the piece) for two explanations why it’s kosher? https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=388

What’s a נפקא מיניה between the two reasons ?

Learn the שולחן ערוך ס’תרמ”ח סעיף יג with the משנה ברורה and the ביאור הלכה as to the halacha of Blattil
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=238

Conclusion of Sugya: “גמרא דף לה: “ושל דמאי

We discussed the machlokes between Rashi and Tosfos why דמאי is considered יש בה היתר אכילה
whether we need the logic of one being able to be מפקיר all his possessions in order to use an Esrog of דמאי.
According to “תוספת “דאי – because can feed the דמאי to poor people and soldiers stationed in their town.
According to Rashi (based on רש”י דף לד: “האי יש בה) because one has the ability to eat דמאי by making all his possessions ownerless.

Learn “מאירי לד: “ואם נטל כשר who discusses what is considered יש בה היתר אכילה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&st=&pgnum=91

Major Question:
This seems to be in contradiction to – רש”י דף לד: “בירושלים who says an Esrog of Maaser Sheini outside Yerushalayim is pasul.
According to Rashi’s logic it should be kosher as person has the ability to bring the Maasar Sheini to Yerushalayim and eat it there or redeem the Maasar Sheini on to money?
Learn “תוספת עיורבין דף ל: “ולפרוש for an answer (starting from ויש לומר – last few lines of Tosfos)

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=3&daf=30b&format=pdf

Why is an Esrog which was gifted to an individual with the condition that it must be returned considered to be kosher? It does not have a היתר אכילה since the person if he consumes the esrog is unable to return the esrog in the original condition to the owner? See last few lines of פרי מגדים אורח חיים סימן תרנ”ח אשל אברהם ס”ק יב

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&st=&pgnum=350

Learn the גמרא דף לה: עלתה חזזית” until נוטלה פטמתו

Questions:

Why does a חזזית disqualify an Esrog?

Is the reason to disqualify the Esrog different if the חזזית is on majority of the Esrog, minority but multiple spots, or on the חוטם?

See “רש”י דף לג: “מנומר (first line)

Question:

Is this pasul the first day or all the days of Sukkos?

Learn “תוספת “עלתה

Questions:

Why does the Mishna need to repeat when חזזית is kosher and when it is Pasul. It should be self understood if חזזית on majority of the area of the Esrog disqualifies than on minority of the Esrog is Kosher?

Learn ר”ן דף יז. דפי הריף “עלתה חזזית for an explanation

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=616

Will multiple חזזית disqualify an Esrog because it is מנומר / spotted if they are the same color of the Esrog?

Learn ר”ן דף יז: דפי הריף “אבל בשנים (in middle of the wide lines) who quotes the opinion of the ראב”ד

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=617

Quickly review the “גמרא דף לה: “ושל תרומה טהורה until ושל דמאי

Questions:
Can the peel of a fruit be Teruma? (See ט”ז ס או”ח ס’ תרמ”ח ס”ק ו)
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=386

What bracha does one make on a peel of a fruit? See שולחן ערוך או”ח ס’ ר”ב סעיף ו and משנה ברורה ס”ק ל”ט
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&st=&pgnum=216
And Sefer הערות on Gemara Sukkah

Is an Esrog of תרומה טהורה kosher for a non-kohen?
Carefully learn רש”י דף לה: “הרי יש בה היתר אכילה”
According to Rashi what is classified as יש בה היתר אכילה?
Learn “מאירי לד: “ואם נטל כשר
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&st=&pgnum=91

The rule is in order to be הוכשר לקבל טומאה is that the person wants the moisture on this fruit or vegetable. In our case why do we assume the person wants the Esrog to become wet?
Additionally, why would the person want the Esrog to become wet as this would make it able to become tameh and disqualify this Esrog?

Continue learning the גמרא “ושל דמאי until the next set of two dots.
Question:
Does one actually need to be מפקיר all his possessions in order to use an Esrog of דמאי?
Learn “תוספת “דאי
Note: How Tosfos explains why an Esrog of דמאי is Kosher.
Contrast Tosfos with רש”י דף לה: “הרי יש בה היתר אכילה” And how Rashi explains why an Esrog of תרומה טהורה is kosher for a non-kohen
Learn “מאירי לד: “ואם נטל כשר who discusses what is considered יש בה היתר אכילה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&st=&pgnum=91

Contrast the argument of Tosfos and Rashi to their position regarding an Esrog of Maaser Sheini outside Yerushalayim. – רש”י דף לד: “בירושלים and last few lines of תוספת דף לה. “לפי

Why is an Esrog which was gifted to an individual with the condition that it must be returned kosher as it does not have a היתר אכילה? See last few lines of פרי מגדים אורח חיים סימן תרנ”ח אשל אברהם ס”ק יב
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&st=&pgnum=350

Learn גמרא דף לא: “נקטם ראשו (two dots – second to last line on the Amud) until ר’ יהודה אומר (the two dots in middle of the Amud)

Questions:
What’s the difference between נסדק & נחלקה?
Why should נחלקה התיומת (split) be similar to ניטלה התיומת (removed)?

Sugya: נקטם ראשו
What is considered ראשו for the disqualification of נקטם ראשו?
Learn תוס’ דף כט: “נקטם which asks question on ריב”ל what is the chidush that ניטלה התיומת is pasul when נקטם ראשו even if a little bit of chopped off is pasul? And gives three answers.
Clarify the two definitions of of נקטם ראשו of Tosfos.

Learn ראש ס’ ב which quotes the ראבד who has a third definition of נקטם ראשו
See the טור ס’ תרמ”ה סעיף ו who quote three opinions.
Question:
How much has to be chopped off to disqualify the Lulav?
Learn the ר”ן דף יד. דפי הריף “נקטם ראשו – starting from the words ולפיכך יש להחמיר (four lines from the bottom of the page)

Tosfos says נקטם ראשו is the two middle leaves. The ran says it’s the middle leaf.
Does Tosfos and the Ran agree?
See last paragraph of בית יוסף ס’ תרמ”ה סעיף ו “ודע שהר”ן – and ביאור הלכה סימן תרמה,ו “רוב העלין