Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Morning Kollel: עירובין – פרק שני – דף כא. פסי ביראות – מידי דחזי לאדם (05/18/23)
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Quickly review the first Mishna of the fourth Perek.
Review “תוספות “לולב
Learn the ר”ן who asks simply whenever the first day of Sukkos coincides with Shabbos there will be no meat from the קרבן שלמים
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=624
Why didn’t Tosfos ask from the simpler case like the Ran?
How did Tosfos answer his question?
What changed in Tosfos answer from his original understanding?
Question:
Is the mitzvah of simchas Yom tov from the Torah exclusively with eating the meat of the korban shelomim or does it include other items that make one happy?
See wording of ר”ן
Learn one or two fo the following Tosfos תוספת מועד קטן יד: “עשה” & תוספת פסחים דף קט. “במה” & חגיגה ו. “דמחייבא
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=12&daf=14b&format=pdf
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=13&daf=6&format=pdf
Learn רמב״ם הלכות יום טוב פרק ו הלכה יז-יט
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=198
Where is it implicit that the eight days of simcha eating the meat of the korban shlamim needs to be eaten in the evening as well?
Why didn’t Tosfos ask from a simpler case; indeed every motzei Shabbos on Sukkos one can’t eat meat of the קרבן שלמים as the korban is not brought on Shabbos and the earliest it may be brought is Friday which then makes the meat prohibited to be eaten on the second night?
Learn (מהרש”ל (חכמת שלמה (underneath the מהרש”א) who gives a simple answer based on the Gemara immediately after the first Mishna דף מח
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=505
Learn the מהרש”א who challenges the explanation of the מהרש”ל and offers a different explanation
ery quickly review the “גמרא דף י: “וליחוש (seventeen lines from top of the Amud) until “תנן התם”
The gemara says we are not concerned that people will abandon the larger opening for the smaller opening unless there is a gain of a shortcut.
What happens if the people actually do abandon the larger opening?
Learn שולחן ארוך או”ח ס’ שס”ג סע’ לד with the משנה ברורה
Is the Shulchan Aruch explaining the issue of abandoning the larger opening like Rashi or the Meiri?
See
The Shulchan Aruch says placing a tzuras hapesach on the smaller opening will allow one to carry inside the mavui. Could one place a Lechi or Korah instead?
See ה’ רע”א who questions why placing a tzuras hapesach on the smaller opening will allow one to carry inside the mavui?
See משנה ברורה ס”ק ק”נ
Continue learning the גמרא דף י: “תנן התם (middle of the Amud) until the two dots.
Learn “תוס’ “עור
Learn “תוס’ “ואצבעיים
Quickly review the גמרא דף י: “וליחוש (seventeen lines from top of the Amud) until “תנן התם”
The Gemara discusses a case where the fourth side of the Mavui is 15 Amos wide and places a board 3 Amos wide leaving a gap of space of 2 Amos between the board and the wall.
Questions:
What is the problem if the people stop traveling through the larger opening and only go through the smaller opening?
Rashi says one reason
See ח’ מאירי “וליחוש who says a different reason.
Does one need to place a Lechi or Korah for the gap of 2 Amos?
Learn חידושי מאירי beginning of of דף י עמוד ב who quotes the Raavad
Does one need to place a Lechi or Korah in addition to the פס for the opening of 10 Amos?
See “תוס’ “ועושה who says he needs a Lechi or Korah
Why does the Lechi need to be within three tefachim of the wall?
See רבינו יהונתן דף יד: על המשנה “ר’ יוסי
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&st=&pgnum=332
Learn מגן אברהם ס’ שס”ג ס”ק ה who explains there is a dispute between Tosfos and רבינו יהונתן?
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=231
In the case where the entrance to the Mavui is 20 Amos wide and places a board four Amos long in the middle of the entrance in the direction of the side walls.
Does one need to place a Lechi or Korah on only one of the openings or on both?
See רש”י דף ה. “מתיר בפרצה
The gemara says we are not concerned that people will abandon the larger opening for the smaller opening unless there is a gain of a shortcut.
What happens if the people actually do abandon the larger opening?
See שולחן ארוך או”ח ס’ שס””ג סע’ לד and משנה ברורה ס”ק נ
Learn the first Mishna of the fourth Perek.
Learn “תוספות “לולב
Questions:
Where is it implicit that the eight days of simcha eating the meat of the korban shlamim needs to be eaten in the evening as well?
Why didn’t Tosfos ask from a simpler case; indeed every motzei Shabbos on Sukkos one can’t eat meat of the קרבן שלמים as the korban is not brought on Shabbos and the earliest it may be brought is Friday which then makes the meat prohibited to be eaten on the second night?
Learn מהרש”ל who gives a simple answer based on the Gemara immediately after the first Mishna דף מח
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=505
Learn the מהרש”א who challenges the explanation of the מהרש”ל and offers a different explanation
Learn the ר”ן who asks simply whenever the first day of Sukkos coincides with Shabbos there will be no meat from the קרבן שלמים?
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=624
Why didn’t Tosfos ask from the simpler case like the Ran?
How did Tosfos answer his question?
What changed in Tosfos answer from his original understanding?
Is the mitzvah of simchas Yom tov from the Torah exclusively with eating the meat of the korban shelomim or does it include other items that make one happy?
Learn תוספת מועד קטן יד: “עשה” & תוספת פסחים דף קט. “במה” & חגיגה ו. “דמחייבא
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=12&daf=14b&format=pdf
https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=13&daf=6&format=pdf
Learn רמב״ם הלכות יום טוב פרק ו הלכה יז-יט
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=198
Learn the גמרא דף י: “וליחוש (seventeen lines from top of the Amud) until “תנן התם”
This gemara is a continuation from the Gemara last week.
Does one need to place a Lechi or Korah in addition to the פס?
If yes, where?
Learn חידושי מאירי
Learn “תוס’ “ועושה
Why does the Lechi need to be within three tefachim of the wall?
See רבינו יהונתן דף יד: על המשנה “ר’ יוסי
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&st=&pgnum=332
Does Tosfos agree to the reason of רבינו יהונתן?
Learn מגן אברהם ס’ שס”ג ס”ק ה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=231
Zoom link for those who can not attend live.
Same zoom link for the entire morning
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/98313738910?pwd=S0NzYThFSG01S05KcTEybmxrY2JGZz09
Quickly review the גמרא דף י: “אי נמי until “וליחוש”
The Gemara introduces four concepts
1. פרוץ מרובה על העומד
2. עומד מרובה משני רוחות
3. פרוץ כעומד
4. אתי אוירא .. ומבטלה
According to the opinion that עומד מרובה משני רוחות is considered עומד מרובה does it have exactly the same status of עומד מרובה or is it a lower tier?
The gemara says it’s possible that פרוץ כעומד is good yet we still would say אתי אוירא מהאי גיסא ואוירא מהאי גיסא ומבטלה. If פרוץ is indeed כעומד why should it be any different than when the Amud is larger than the adjacent gap of air in which we do not say אתי אוירא ומבטלה?
Learn רש”ש
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&st=&pgnum=298
On דף ה עמוד ב we discussed a ח’ גרי”ז בכורות דף יז who brings a proof from רמב”ם to the same principle of the רש”ש.
Is there a benefit with any of these options more than the solution that Rav Yehuda presented?
Learn “תוס’ “ואמאי
Does one need to place a Lechi or Korah in addition to the פס?
If yes, where?
Learn חידושי מאירי
Learn “תוס’ “ועושה
Why does the Lechi need to be within three tefachim of the wall?
See רבינו יהונתן דף יד: על המשנה “ר’ יוסי
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&st=&pgnum=332
Does Tosfos agree to the reason of רבינו יהונתן?
Learn מגן אברהם ס’ שס”ג ס”ק ה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=231
Very quickly review the גמרא דף מב: “יכול לאכול כזית (second line from top of the Amud) until the end of the Perek.
Distancing oneself from צואת קטן:
Questions:
At what stage does the צואת קטן have the status of צואה; when the infants that age start to eat foods from the five grains or when this child personally starts to eat them?
If a child started to eat food from the five grains but them stopped for a long period of time would his צואה lose the status of צואה?
Learn the שולחן ערוך ס’ פ”א סעיף א and see the מגן אברהם in regards to how they rule for the above questions and the machlokes between the Beis Yosef and Bach
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14326&st=&pgnum=129
Learn the משנה ברורה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60386&st=&pgnum=234
Eating from the Korban Pesach
Learn תוספ
Learn תוספת
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Learn the first Mishna of the fourthPerek.
Learn תוספת “לולב
Question:
How did Tosfos answer his question?
What changed in Tosfos answer from his original understanding?
Quickly review the גמרא דף י: “אי נמי until “וליחוש”
Clarify the four concepts the gemara introduces
1. פרוץ מרובה על העומד
2. עומד מרובה משני רוחות
3. פרוץ כעומד
4. אתי אוירא .. ומבטלה
Why don’t we consider the remaining opening of ten Amos to be פרוץ מרובה from the Amud adjacent to it?
See ח’ מאירי דף י (In middle) from “ואע”ג דפרוץ דפתח מרובה
The gemara says it’s possible that פרוץ כעומד is good yet we still would say אתי אוירא מהאי גיסא ואוירא מהאי גיסא ומבטלה. If פרוץ is indeed כעומד why should it be any different than when the Amud is larger than the adjacent gap of air in which we do not say אתי אוירא ומבטלה?
Learn רש”ש
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&st=&pgnum=298
On דף ה עמוד ב we discussed a ח’ גרי”ז בכורות דף יז who brings a proof from רמב”ם to the same principle of the רש”ש.
Is there a benefit with any of these options more than the solution that Rav Yehuda presented?
Learn “תוס’ “ואמאי
Does one need to place a Lechi or Korah in addition to the פס?
If yes, where?
Learn חידושי מאירי
Learn “תוס’ “ועושה
Why does the Lechi need to be within three tefachim of the wall?
See רבינו יהונתן דף יד: על המשנה “ר’ יוסי
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&st=&pgnum=332
Does Tosfos agree to the reason of רבינו יהונתן?
Learn מגן אברהם ס’ שס”ג ס”ק ה
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&st=&pgnum=231
Zoom link for those who can not attend live.
Same zoom link for the entire morning
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/98313738910?pwd=S0NzYThFSG01S05KcTEybmxrY2JGZz09
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