Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Morning Kollel: גמרא שבת – דף מד – דף מו סוגיא דמוקצה – שיטת רבי שמעון (01/28/26)
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Based on what we learned –
I would like you to break down the following questions into the core issues that one faces in the following questions and all the variables. Please come to a conclusion on how one would be permitted to get the desired result.
Please write the answers and email them to me
Question:
May one place a lemon in their hot tea?
May one place honey in their hot tea?
Making a cup of
Hot cocoa – plain
Instant noodle soup A) Noodles B) Vegetables C) The Spices
May one use a cup that has some water droplets in it to pour water from an urn inside of it to be a Kli Sheini?
May one place butter on a hot potato ?
May one dip hot french fries into ketchup?
Someone forgot to add salt to the soup when it was cooked it.
How can one add salt?
How can one add black pepper into their soup?
May someone place croutons in their soup? Challah in soup?
May one place Cholent on their plate which the liquid of the Cholent will spread into the salad on the plate?
May one reheat a piece of chicken in a tin pan by placing it on top of a pot that’s on the fire which the sauce on top will melt?
How can one heat up a baby bottle on Shabbos?
May one heat up a solid baked meat roll some of the fat will liquify from the heat?
May one place challah on top of a crockpot or upside down pan on hotplate challah to become hard like toast?
Filtering water
Very quickly review גמרא דף קלט עמ’ ב “אמר זעירי נותן אדם until the two dots
What is the answer of the Gemara of בין הגתות?
Major Question:
Why does it matter that people drink the wine with the sediments? Why should that permit one to filter out the sediments if he personally does not want the sediments in his wine? How is this different from a person who has a mixture of two food items and one of them he does not want to eat now – which is forbidden for him to separate as the one he does not want is considered – bad-‘ pesoles -waste?
How does Rashi answer these questions?
Learn רי”ף
Learn ר”ן
Learn רשב”א who breaks the halacha down to three levels.
How does the Ran answer these questions?
What’s the difference between Rashi and the Ran/Rashba?
Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק ח הלכה יד
How does the Rambam rule?
Learn כסף משנה
How is it permitted to filter water on Shabbos?
How do we conclude lhalacha?
Learn טור ושו”ע ס’ שי”ט סע’ י
Based on what we learned –
I would like you to break down the following questions into the core issues that one faces in the following questions and all the variables . Come to a conclusion how one would be permitted to get the desired result.
Please write the answers and email them to me
Question:
May one place a lemon in their hot tea?
May one place honey in their hot tea?
Making a cup of
Hot cocoa – plain
Hot cocoa mix
Instant noodle soup A) Noodles B) Vegetables C) The Spices
May one use a cup that has some water droplets in it to pour water from an urn inside of it to be a Kli Sheini?
May one place butter on a hot potato ?
Dip hot french fries into ketchup?
Someone forgot to put salt the soup when cooked it.
How can one add salt?
How can one add black pepper into their soup?
May someone place croutons in their soup?
Challah in soup?
May one place Cholent on their plate which the liquid of the Cholent will spread into the salad on the plate?
May one reheat a piece of chicken in a tin pan by placing it on top of a pot that’s on the fire which the sauce on top will melt?
Based on what we learned – I would like you to break down the following questions into the core issues that one faces in the following questions and how one would be permitted to get the desired result
Question:
Making a cup of Hot –
Coffee A) Instant coffee
See אגרות משה אורח חיים חלק ד ס’ עד בישול אות טז
May one add milk?
Tea (Tea bag)
Tea essence that was made before shabbos A) still warm as left on edge of the blech B) Cold
Hot cocoa – plain
Hot cocoa mix
Instant noodle soup A) Noodles B) Vegetables C) The Spices
Placing butter on a hot potato
Dipping hot french fries into ketchup
Sprinkling salt into bowl of soup
Sprinkling black pepper into bowl of soup
Placing Cholent on your plate which the liquid of the Cholent will spread into the salad on the plate.
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Filtering water
Is it permitted to filter water on Shabbos?
Review the first three lines of the משנה דף קלט עמ’ ב
Review גמרא דף קלט עמ’ ב “אמר זעירי נותן אדם until the two dots
Questions:
What is the answer of the Gemara of בין הגתות
Why does it matter that people drink the wine with the sediments? Why should that permit one to filter out the sediments if he personally does not want the sediments in his wine? How is this different from a person who has a mixture of two food items and one of them he does not want to eat now – whihc is forn=biden for him to separate as the one he does not want is considered – bad-‘ pesoles -waste?
How does Rashi answer these questions?
Learn רי”ף
Learn ר”ן
How does the Ran answer these questions?
What’s the difference between Rashi and the Ran?
How do we conclude lhalacha?
Learn טור ושו”ע ס’ שי”ט סע’ י
Based on what we learned – I would like you to break down the following questions into the core issues that one faces in the following questions and how one would be permitted to get the desired result
Question:
Making a cup of Hot –
Coffee A) Instant coffee B) Instant freeze dried coffee C) Ground coffee
Tea bag
Tea essence that was made before shabbos A) still warm as left on edge of the blech B) Cold
Hot cocoa – plain
Hot cocoa mix
Instant noodle soup A) Noodles B) Vegetables C) The Spices
Cooking after Baking after Cooking
Is a food that was cooked and then baked permitted to be heated up in liquid on Shabbos?
For example a bagel or donut that was first boiled in water/oil and then baked permitted to be placed into a Kli Rishon of hot soup?
See פרי מגדים אשל אברהם ס’ שי”ח ס”ק יז
Learn ביאור הלכה ס’ שי”ח סע’ ה “יש
See אגלי טל מלאכת אופה סע’ ט “ומ”מ יראה לי
See מאור השבת חלק ב ס’ ח סע’ יב-יג & הערה כח (attached to this email)
May one place challah/bread next to a heat source which will toast the bread?
Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק א הלכה א & ו
Learn מגן אברהם ס’ שי”ח ס”ק יז
And משנה ברורה ס’ שי”ח ס”ק מא
Learn קובץ הלכות שבת פרק כה סע’ מא & הערה סא & א – (see below) – for a lengthy discussion in the poskim whether it is prohibited or permitted.
Question:
Is freeze dried instant coffee considered cooked , baked or cooked and then baked ?


Filtering water
Is it permitted to filter water on Shabbos?
Learn “גמרא דף קלט עמ’ ב “אמר זעירי נותן אדם until the two dots
Questions:
What is the answer of the Gemara of בין הגתות
Why is it permitted?
Learn רש'”י
Learn רי”ף
Learn ר”ן
What’s the difference between Rashi and the Ran?
Cooking after Baking after Cooking
Is a food that was cooked and then baked permitted to be heated up in liquid on Shabbos?
For example a bagel or donut that was first boiled in water/oil and then baked permitted to be placed into a Kli Rishon of hot soup?
See פרי מגדים אשל אברהם ס’ שי”ח ס”ק יז
Learn ביאור הלכה ס’ שי”ח סע’ ה “יש
See אגלי טל מלאכת אופה סע’ ט “ומ”מ יראה לי
See מאור השבת חלק ב ס’ ח סע’ יב-יג & הערה כח (attached to this email)
May one place challah/bread next to a heat source which will toast the bread?
Learn רמב”ם ה’ שבת פרק א הלכה א & ו
Learn מגן אברהם ס’ שי”ח ס”ק יז
And משנה ברורה ס’ שי”ח ס”ק מא
Learn קובץ הלכות שבת פרק כה סע’ מא & הערה סא & א – (see below) – for a lengthy discussion in the poskim whether it is prohibited or permitted.
Question:
Is freeze dried instant coffee considered cooked , baked or cooked and then baked ?


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Cooking after Baking
According to the opinion of the Yeraim is cooking after baking prohibited Doraissa?
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=42
https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=43
Cooking after Frying
Is it permitted to place deep fried croutons in soup which is a Kli Sheini?
Learn פרי מגדים משבצות זהב ס’ שי”ח ס”ק ז
Is there a difference between pan fried or deep fried?
Learn שמירת שבת כהלכתה פרק א ס’ ס”א והערה קפ”ב
Learn קובץ הלכות שבת פרק כה סע’ לט-מ
Baking after Baking
May one place challah/bread next to a heat source which will toast the bread?
Learn קובץ הלכות שבת פרק כה סע’ מא & הערה סא & א


Filtering wine
Quickly review משנה דף קלט עמ’ ב “ונותנין מים על גבי
Why is it permissible to pour water over the wine sediments?
Why isn’t this considered borer?
Learn Rashi
Based on Rashi – it’s permitted because he is not extracting the trapped wine from the sediments
Learn Rashi on the Rif
Learn רע”ב על המשנה who says that he is trying to extract the trapped wine from the sediments.
Major Question:
Why isn’t extracting the wine from the sediments considered borer, especially in this instance that he is using a filtering tool?
Learn פרי מגדים משבצות זהב שי”ט ס”ק י (in middle) who gives one explanation
Learn קובץ הלכות שבת פרק כז סע’ קלב הערה קנח for a new explanation
See שולחן שלמה ס’ שי”ט ס”ק כב-כד
Practical Halacha
Based on the above may one pour water over coffee granules that are in a coffee filter (using hot water from a Kli Shlishi)?
Cooking after Baking בישול אחר אפיה
Is it permitted to reheat a baked item through a liquid medium?
When is it permitted to dip your challah into your soup?
Review שולחן ערוך ס’ שי”ח סע’ ה
And the משנה ברורה
Does the same prohibition apply to baking after cooking?
Is it permitted to reheat a cooked item though dry heat?
Learn מגן אברהם ס’ שי”ח ס”ק י”ז
Learn שולחן ערוך ס’ שי”ח סע’ טו
Major Question;
How could the Shulchan Aruch say it is permissible to reheat a a fully cooked item next to a fire – it’s baking/roasting after cooking?
Learn ביאור הלכה ס’ שי”ח סע’ טו “והוא who asks this question
Learn חזון איש אורח חיים ס’ ל”ז ס”ק י”ד who gives an explanation
Baking after Baking
May one place challah/bread next to a heat source which will toast the bread?
Learn קובץ הלכות שבת פרק כה סע’ מא & הערה סא & א
Cooking after Frying
Is it permitted to place deep fried croutons in ones soup which is a Kli Sheini?
Is there a difference between pan fried or deep fried?
Learn קובץ הלכות שבת פרק כה סע’ לט-מ
Cooking after baking בישול אחר אפיה
We discussed at length that something that is cooked there is no violation of cooking to reheat it.
Is it permitted to reheat a baked item through a liquid medium? Or to reheat a cooked item though dry heat?
Learn טור & בית יוסף ס’ שי”ח סע’ ה
And שולחן ערוך with the משנה ברורה
Filtering
Learn משנה דף קלט עמ’ ב “ונותנין מים על גבי
Why is it permissible to pour water over the wine sediments?
Why isn’t this considered borer?
Learn Rashi
Learn Rashi on the Rif
Learn רע”ב על המשנה
Learn פרי מגדים משבצות זהב שי”ט ס”ק י
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