Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Wednesday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 27B Chaishinan (4/18/2012)

Wednesday Night Gemara Shiur Bava Metzia 27B Chaishinan

1) Major Question; If we are worried an object was lent and therefore do not accept Simanim there should never be a case that one could return an item since we should be concerned even if the claimant can give proper identification that the item was once his but was subsequently sold or gifted? Ritva 27a “Keilav”  2) Question; Why does the Gemara not bring a proof from the Mishna on 20a and 24b that we are not worried items were lent?  See end of Tosfos 20b “Matza”, Rosh end of First Perek Siman 50. 3) Learn Gemara 27b 3rd 1st wide line “Leima Ktanai” until “Amar Rava”  4) Fundemental Question (Chakira); What is the reason Simanim would not be accepted according to the Torah? Is it because we are concerned A. the person is lying, or B. there is another item with exactly the same Siman therefore the Siman is not conclusive proof to whom is the real owner? Bring a proof