Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah, יום רביעי, Cheshvan 7, Daf 42a Sugya – Kli Sheini (10/29/25)

Please see write out the argument between Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai. Where they agree and where they argue, the difference between a cup and a bath. 

Quickly review the גמרא דף מב. “סבר רב יוסף למימר until אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)

Tosfos (תוס’ “אבל) explains the אמבטיה in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini. 

Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini 

See שער הציון ס’ שי”ח אות קה 

According to the Ran is the אמבטיה a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini?

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The Ran says a chidush lhalacha that it is prohibited to pour an abundance of cold water into a bath that is a Kli Rishon.  Why?

Learn רשב”א דף מב. “נותן אדם 

Note that line towards the end “אבל באמבטיה שעומדים לרחיצה ”  

How is the Rashba different than the other explanations of the Rishonim?

Do we conclude lhalacha like Bais Hillel or like ר’ שמעון בן מנסיא?

Learn תוס’ “מי

Learn ריף 

Learn ר”ן  

Continue learning the Gemara until the Mishna