Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Monday night shiur, Av 7 Daf 44b (07/24/23)

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Learn the “גמרא דף מד: “אמר אייבו until next “אמר אייבו

See מהרש”א on the גירסא of the Gemara 

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Question:

Is Tosfos giving a different explanation than Rashi? See מהרש”א and מהר”ם

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Questions:

What is the point of argument between רב נחמן and רב ששת in regards to how many Aravos one needs to take?

Learn ר”ן 

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Question:

What needs to be done with the aravos in order to fulfill the mitzvah of Hoshanas?

See רש”י דף מג: “והביאום (three lines from bottom of the Amud) 

And רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ז הלכה כב

In conclusion of the Gemara is the taking of Aravos on Hoshana Rabbah זכר למקדש or מנהג נביאים? 

What do we conclude lhalacha in regards to making a bracha on taking the Aravos? 

Learn טור אורח חיים ס’ תרס”ד סעיף ב for a few different opinions

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And שולחן ערוך סע’ ב, ד-ו with the משנה ברורה for final conclusion

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Major Question:

The גמרא דף מג concluded that Aravah was בנטילה – everyone waved the Aravos each day of Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash and the זכר למקדש replicates the way it was performed in the Beis Hamikdash & on דף מד the aravos were taken when encircling the Mizbeach.

Why is our minhag to walk around the bima each day of Sukkos one time only with the set of Daled Minim and on Hoshana Rabbah seven times.  We should be holding aravos when circling the bima as they did in the Beis Hamikdash when circling the Mizbeach? 

But this seems incongruent with how  the Beis Hamikdash as on the practice  Especially since we conclude that Hoshanos we’re instituted זכר למקדש for the נטילה which was walking around the mizbeach?

See בית יוסף & ב”ח סעיף ג 

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