Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Wednesday night shiur, Shevat 11, Daf 39a (02/01/23)

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Conclusion of Topic: Making a bracha עובר לעשייתן 

Quickly review “תוספת דף לט. “עובר 

Note

Summarize the three options that Tosfos presents as to how to make the Bracha on the Daled Minim עובר לעשייתן.

Question:

Why does”nt Tosfos give the option of making the bracha prior to picking up the Daled Minim by grasping the Daled Minim with one’s hands while they are still on the table?

See first few lines of גמרא דף מב. “מדאגביה נפיק ביה

and first few lines of רש”ש דף מב 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=514

Learn the רמב״ם הלכות לולב פרק ז הלכה ו 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&st=&pgnum=283

And טור ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ה who makes a דיוק בלשון הרמב”ם that he disagrees with Tosfos.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&st=&pgnum=584

Learn ריטב”א פסחים דף ז: “שאני התם דכיון דאגביה who has an entirely different opinion than Tosfos and the Rambam

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=38616&st=&pgnum=12

Halachic Conclusion:

What is the halachic conclusion as to when is the proper time to recite the bracha on the Daled Minim עובר לעשייתן?

Learn שולחן ערוך אורח חיים ס’ תרנ”א סעיף ה which presents two options. 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=395

See the מגן אברהם ס”ק יב for a new option not mentioned in Tosfos 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=396

See ב’ הגר”א who says the two options mentioned in the Shulchan Aruch are not necessary. 

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&st=&pgnum=396

Questions:

What is the basis of the Gra? 

See גמרא פסחים דף ז עמוד ב “מיתיבי העושה לולב (ten lines from the top of the Amud) until והלכתא

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=4&daf=7b&format=pdf

Why does the Shulchan Aruch omit the option of negative intent (the third option that Tosfos presented)?

See the משנה ברורה and שער הציון

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&st=&pgnum=251

Question:

If person forgot to make a bracha on a mitzvah can he make the bracha afterwards? 

Learn רמב״ם הלכות ברכות פרק יא הלכה ה-ז

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58957&st=&pgnum=302

And הגהות אשרי ברכות פרק א ס’ יד

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14308&st=&pgnum=145

And רמ”א יורה דעה יט,א with the שך who says there is a major dispute between the Rambam and the Haghas Ashri

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&st=&pgnum=57

What is the basis of the argument between the Rambam and the Haghas Ashri?