Monthly Archive: June 2023

Very quickly review the דף מג. “דאיתיה בגבולין (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) until “וסוכה גופא מנלן” (thirteen lines from bottom of the Amud)

Question: Are the disqualifications of the Daled Minim in the Beis Hamikdash all seven days the same as those of the first day of Sukkos?

There is an argument between Tosfos and the Ramban whether the requirement of לכם – to own the Daled Minim – applies for the Daled Minim for the entire Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash 

See תוספת דף כט: “בעינן

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&daf=29b&format=pdf

See ריטב”א beginning of the third Perek

https://www.sefaria.org/Ritva_on_Sukkah.29b?lang=bi

See ביכורי יעקב ס’ תרנ”ח ס”ק א for a lengthy discussion how one can fulfill mitzvah from the Torah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49325&st=&pgnum=68

Question:

Is there any current practical application of the halacha requirements of Daled Minim in the Beis Hamikdash all seven days of Sukkos even though we don’t have a Beis Hamikdash?

See Mishna .דף מא 

Rashi on the Mishna 

And פירוש משניות לרמב”ם on the Mishna who argue what area is considered מקדש

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=487

And רמב״ם הלכות שופר פרק ב הלכה ח  https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&st=&pgnum=262&hilite=

And רמב״ם הלכות בית הבחירה פרק ו הלכה יד-טו וראב”ד שם

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&st=&pgnum=16

See ביכורי יעקב ס’ תרנ”ח ס”ק א for a lengthy discussion how one can fulfill mitzvah from the Torah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49325&st=&pgnum=68

Please spend time this morning to write a summary of the above Sugya.

Learn גמרא דף מג. “וסוכה גופא מנלן (thirteen lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on דף מג עמוד ב 

Continue learning the Gemara until איתיביה אביי (middle of the Amud) 

Topic: The mitzvah of Daled Minim in Beis Hamikdash and the rest of the world.

Learn the דף מג. “דאיתיה בגבולין (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) until “וסוכה גופא מנלן” (thirteen lines from bottom of the Amud)

Question on “רש”י “אלא ראשון:

Why should the fact that the Mitzvah of Daled Minim on the second – seventh day of Sukkos is only in the Beis Hamikdash be a reason that the Rabanan should allow a gezeira to not perform the Mitzvah?

Learn תוספת “הא

Chakirah: Is the mitzvah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash – an extension of the Mitzvah of Daled Minim of the first day obligation everywhere or an independent mitzvah? Think of a נפקא מינה between the two options 

Learn בעל המאור “אי הכי (first one on fourth Perek)

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=624

Note: how the בעל המאור explains different than תוספת “הא and avoids the major question we asked on Tosfos 

How could Tosfos suggest limiting the Daled Minim for the seven days of Sukkos which coincide with Shabbos to one’s home?  The only mitzvah for the rest of Sukkos is in the Beis Hamikdash?  

Learn עמק ברכה ה’ לולב אות א “וסוכה מג for an answer

Bring a proof to the chakirah 

1. from the Gemara 

2. from “רש”י “אלא ראשון 

See מנחת חינוך מצוה שכד ס”ק א

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14092&st=&pgnum=164

See עמק ברכה ה’ לולב אות א 

Question: Are the disqualifications of the Daled Minim in the Beis Hamikdash all seven days the same as those of the first day of Sukkos?

There is an argument between Tosfos and the Ramban whether the requirement of לכם – to own the Daled Minim – applies for the Daled Minim for the entire Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash 

See תוספת דף כט: “בעינן

https://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&daf=29b&format=pdf

See ריטב”א beginning of the third Perek

https://www.sefaria.org/Ritva_on_Sukkah.29b?lang=bi

See ביכורי יעקב ס’ תרנ”ח ס”ק א for a lengthy discussion how one can fulfill mitzvah from the Torah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49325&st=&pgnum=68

Very quickly review the “גמרא דף מב: “אמר רבה” until דף מג. “דאיתיה בגבולין (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) 

Topic: גזירה דרבה שלא ליטול לולב בשבת

Quickly review “תוספת “אינהו who asks 

Why is there a difference in the gezeira between Lulav and Shofar?

What’s the explanation for the incongruity of the gezeira on the Mitzvah of shofar during the time of Beis Hamikdash to the gezeira after the churban?

In Conclusion:

Why is the Mitzvah of Daled Minim not performed on the first day of Sukkos which coincides with Shabbos? 

Is it because gezeira to prevent one from carrying on Shabbos, or because of the uncertainty whether the first day of Sukkos is the fifteenth or fourteenth of Tishrei? 

See ריף מגילה דף ד: “גרסינן במסכת סוכה

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14306&st=&pgnum=609

Learn ר”ן on our Gemara

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=624

Bring a proof from the ר”ן if he agrees with the רי”ף 

Learn the דף מג. “דאיתיה בגבולין (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) until “וסוכה גופא מנלן” (thirteen lines from bottom of the Amud)

Topic: The mitzvah of Daled Minim in Beis Hamikdash and the rest of the world.

Question:

Is the mitzvah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash an extension of the Mitzvah of Daled Minim of the first day obligation everywhere?

or an independent mitzvah?

Practical difference – נפקא מינה – if one performed the mitzvah of Daled Minim on the first day of Sukkos in his home and later that day went to the Beis Hamikdash would he have to take the Daled Minim again 

Learn בעל המאור “אי הכי (first one on fourth Perek)

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&st=&pgnum=624

Note: how the בעל המאור explains different than תוספת “הא and avoids the major question we asked on Tosfos 

How could Tosfos suggest limiting the Daled Minim for the seven days of Sukkos which coincide with Shabbos to one’s home?  The only mitzvah for the rest of Sukkos is in the Beis Hamikdash?  See עמק ברכה ה’ לולב אות א “וסוכה מג for an answer

Bring a proof to the chakirah 

1. from the Gemara we learnt today

2. from “רש”י “אלא ראשון (on gemara earlier on the Amud)

See מנחת חינוך מצוה שכד ס”ק א

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14092&st=&pgnum=164

See עמק ברכה ה’ לולב אות א