{"id":35884,"date":"2026-09-06T23:10:00","date_gmt":"2026-09-06T23:10:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=35884"},"modified":"2026-09-14T16:04:14","modified_gmt":"2026-09-14T16:04:14","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-muktza-monday-night-shiur-elul-26-daf-44a-09-07-26","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-muktza-monday-night-shiur-elul-26-daf-44a-09-07-26\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Muktza Monday night shiur, Elul 26, Daf 44a (09\/07\/26)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarashabbossugyaofmuktzah09072026.MP3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Discussing the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05db\u05d5\u05e1 \u05e7\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d5\u05e2\u05e9\u05e9\u05d9\u05ea until &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d0 (two lines before the wide lines)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Questions:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Why does \u05e8&#8221;\u05e9 agree that a \u05db\u05d5\u05e1 \u05e7\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d5\u05e2\u05e9\u05e9\u05d9\u05ea remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame went out?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=198\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/<wbr>pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&amp;st=&amp;<wbr>pgnum=198<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Does \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d0\u05dc\u05d9\u05e2\u05d6\u05e8 \u05d1\u05df \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05e9\u05de\u05e2\u05d5\u05df also agree that a \u05db\u05d5\u05e1 \u05e7\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d5\u05e2\u05e9\u05e9\u05d9\u05ea remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame went out?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05d7&#8217; 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