{"id":35850,"date":"2026-09-01T16:48:00","date_gmt":"2026-09-01T16:48:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=35850"},"modified":"2026-09-01T20:48:13","modified_gmt":"2026-09-01T20:48:13","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-muktza-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-elul-19-%d7%93%d7%a3-%d7%9e%d7%96-09-01-26-sugya-%d7%91%d7%a1%d7%99%d7%a1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-muktza-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-elul-19-%d7%93%d7%a3-%d7%9e%d7%96-09-01-26-sugya-%d7%91%d7%a1%d7%99%d7%a1\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah: Muktza \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05d9, Elul 19 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d6. (09\/01\/26) &#8211; Sugya: \u05d1\u05e1\u05d9\u05e1"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbossugyaofmuktzah09012026.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">S<strong>ugya: \u05d1\u05e1\u05d9\u05e1<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Discussing the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d6. &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d0 (second line of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e8 \u05e9\u05de\u05d5\u05d0\u05dc&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e7\u05de\u05d1 states when a basket contains fruits and a rock although the basket is not a Bosis one must first shake out the rock before moving the basket.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Why in the case of the pan and the ashes does the broken pieces of wood not have to be shaken out?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 &#8220;\u05d4\u05db\u05d0 \u05e0\u05de\u05d9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=219\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/<wbr>pdfpager.aspx?req=14349&amp;st=&amp;<wbr>pgnum=219<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05e9\u05d5&#8221;\u05e2 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d7<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=233\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/<wbr>pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;<wbr>pgnum=233<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Questions<\/strong>:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When do we consider a \u05d1\u05e1\u05d9\u05e1 \u05dc\u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d4\u05d0\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d5\u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 as a base to the non Muktzah and not reverse?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05d1\u05d2\u05dc\u05d9\u05dc\u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d7 and the \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05e3<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=16\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/<wbr>pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&amp;st=&amp;<wbr>pgnum=16<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=17\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/<wbr>pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&amp;st=&amp;<wbr>pgnum=17<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Is \u05d7\u05e9\u05d5\u05d1 defined by how the public relates to the item or the individual?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d7<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What determines what is \u05d7\u05e9\u05d5\u05d1? Is it value or need?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;&#8216; \u05e8\u05e2\u05d6 \u05e1&#8221;&#8216;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d7<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=121\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/<wbr>pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;<wbr>pgnum=121<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And \u05d0\u05d2\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05d7&#8221;\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05db\u05d1&#8217; \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d9\u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=922&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=118\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/<wbr>pdfpager.aspx?req=922&amp;st=&amp;<wbr>pgnum=118<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05db\u05d7 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d2 who gives a different definition then the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 and \u05d0\u05d2&#8221;\u05de<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The classic example to ensure a table is not a \u05d1\u05e1\u05d9\u05e1 to candlesticks is to leave challah on the table for the period of bein hashmashos at the beginning of Shabbos.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">According to Reb Shlomo Zalman why does that help wouldn&#8217;t rather give up the challah than the expensive candlesticks?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d8 \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05ea\u05d9&#8221;\u05d3 for an answer&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sugya: \u05d1\u05e1\u05d9\u05e1 Discussing the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d6. &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d0 (second line of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e8 \u05e9\u05de\u05d5\u05d0\u05dc&#8221; The \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e7\u05de\u05d1 states when a basket contains fruits and a rock although the basket&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[2,17,5,67],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-35850","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gemara","category-morning-chabura","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-shabbos"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35850","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=35850"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35850\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":35854,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35850\/revisions\/35854"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=35850"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=35850"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=35850"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}