{"id":35741,"date":"2026-08-19T23:24:00","date_gmt":"2026-08-19T23:24:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=35741"},"modified":"2026-08-20T03:20:03","modified_gmt":"2026-08-20T03:20:03","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-muktza-wednesday-night-shiur-elul-7-daf-43b-conclusion-sugya-%d7%98%d7%9c%d7%98%d7%95%d7%9c-%d7%9e%d7%9f-%d7%94%d7%a6%d7%93-08-19-26","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-muktza-wednesday-night-shiur-elul-7-daf-43b-conclusion-sugya-%d7%98%d7%9c%d7%98%d7%95%d7%9c-%d7%9e%d7%9f-%d7%94%d7%a6%d7%93-08-19-26\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Muktza &#8211; Wednesday night shiur, Elul 7, Daf 43b &#8211; Conclusion Sugya: \u05d8\u05dc\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05e6\u05d3 (08\/19\/26)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarashabbossugyaofmuktzah08192026.MP3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Conclusion Sugya: \u05d8\u05dc\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05e6\u05d3&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The \u05e9\u05d5&#8221;\u05e2 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d7 makes a distinction between moving for the purpose of the Muktzah item (prohibited) or for the non Muktza item (permitted) &#8211; \u05dc\u05e6\u05d5\u05e8\u05da \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d4\u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d4\u05d0\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=234\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=234<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What is the logic of this distinction; Either indirect movement is considered movement or it is not considered movement, how does the intent of the movement affect the permissibility?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There are two approaches to explain this&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">1. Review \u05e9\u05d5&#8221;\u05e2 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d3, with the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d3 and the \u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9&#8221;\u05d8 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d9\u05d6 who gives a reason for the distinction&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=228\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=228<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=229\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=229<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">2. Review \u05d7\u05d6\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d9\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05de\u05d6 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d1-\u05d9\u05d3 who gives a different reason for the distinction and argues on the Shulchan Aruch.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=141\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=141<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=142\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=142<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Moving Muktzah with ones body &#8211; \u05d8\u05dc\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05d1\u05d2\u05d5\u05e4\u05d5&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The \u05e9\u05d5&#8221;\u05e2 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d7 also permits \u05d8\u05dc\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05d1\u05d2\u05d5\u05e4\u05d5 even for the purpose of the Muktzah item.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=234\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=234<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Review the \u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d2 permits moving Muktzah by blowing it.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d2 which permits \u05d8\u05dc\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05d1\u05d2\u05d5\u05e4\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=215\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=215<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Chazon Ish (above) argues on the leniency of moving Muktzah with one&#8217;s body for the purpose of the Muktzah item.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How does the Chazon Ish explain the Mishna which permits moving straw with&nbsp;one&#8217;s&nbsp;back?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See \u05ea\u05e9\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 \u05de\u05d4\u05d2\u05d0\u05d5\u05df \u05e8&#8217; \u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05e4\u05d9\u05d9\u05e0\u05e9\u05d8\u05d9\u05d9\u05df in back of Sefer Muktzah from Rabbi Pinchas Bodner \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d1<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e8\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05db\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05ea\u05d5 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db\u05d7 \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e0\u05d8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Please write a summary (include as sources) of how we conclude lhalacha in regards to&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">1. Moving Muktzah through \u05d8\u05dc\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05e6\u05d3<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">2.The reason it is permitted&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">3. Moving Muktzah with ones body \u05d8\u05dc\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05d1\u05d2\u05d5\u05e4\u05d5&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Conclusion Sugya: \u05d8\u05dc\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05de\u05df \u05d4\u05e6\u05d3&nbsp; The \u05e9\u05d5&#8221;\u05e2 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d7 makes a distinction between moving for the purpose of the Muktzah item (prohibited) or for the non Muktza item (permitted) &#8211; \u05dc\u05e6\u05d5\u05e8\u05da \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[6,2,28,5,73,67],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-35741","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-halacha","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-shabbos-2","category-shabbos"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35741","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=35741"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35741\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":35744,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35741\/revisions\/35744"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=35741"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=35741"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=35741"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}