{"id":35582,"date":"2026-07-20T23:00:00","date_gmt":"2026-07-20T23:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=35582"},"modified":"2026-07-21T03:00:51","modified_gmt":"2026-07-21T03:00:51","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-muktza-monday-night-shiur-av-7-daf-43b-07-20-26","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-muktza-monday-night-shiur-av-7-daf-43b-07-20-26\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Muktza &#8211; Monday night shiur, Av 7, Daf 43b (07\/20\/26)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarashabbossugyaofmuktzah07202026.MP3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Topic: \u05d8\u05dc\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05de\u05d5\u05e7\u05e6\u05d4 \u05e2&#8221;\u05d9 \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d3\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05e9\u05de\u05d5\u05d0\u05dc \u05d1\u05e8 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 until the two dots on \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Key point to consider<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How does placing a \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7 circumvent the issue of moving Muktzah directly?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Questions<\/strong>:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Does the \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7 have to placed on top of the dead body or is it sufficient to place it adjacent?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Review \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d0&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=132\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=132<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d0 who says that the \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7 is placed adjacent to the dead body.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Question on Magen Avraham:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How does placing the \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7 adjacent to the dead body permit one to carry the dead body?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05e9\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=195\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=195<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Is the permission to carry Muktzah item by placing \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7 limited to a dead person or also for other items of Muktza?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e7\u05de\u05d1: &#8220;\u05de\u05e2\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05db\u05e8 (two dots in wide lines) until \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 \u05de\u05e0\u05d7&#8221;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=2&amp;daf=142b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=2&amp;daf=142b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d4 which says it is specific to a dead body.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=133\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=133<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d4 which says some opinions allow placing a \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7 on a \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e9\u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05ea\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d0\u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8 to permit moving it out of the sun.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=120\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=120<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d2 that says this permission can be accomplished by placing any item on top of the \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e9\u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05ea\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d0\u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=121\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=121<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How can one reconcile these two halachos which are seemingly contradictory?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05d8&#8221;\u05d6 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=133\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=133<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05d2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d4\u05e9&#8221;\u05e1 on the side of our Gemara who asks why can&#8217;t the mattress underneath the dead person act in same way as the bread or baby to allow one to move the dead person?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What is the mechanism of permission to move a dead body through a \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7 according to Rebbe Akiva Eiger?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05e0\u05d0&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=125\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=125<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Question on the Magen Avraham<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What is the comparison of the permission to move \u05e2&#8221;\u05d9 \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7 to the case of the table?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d3 &#8220;\u05d9\u05e9 \u05de\u05d9 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=236\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=236<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Topic: \u05d8\u05dc\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05de\u05d5\u05e7\u05e6\u05d4 \u05e2&#8221;\u05d9 \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7&nbsp; Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d3\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05e9\u05de\u05d5\u05d0\u05dc \u05d1\u05e8 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 until the two dots on \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3.&nbsp; Key point to consider: How does placing a \u05db\u05db\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,28,5,73,67],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-35582","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-halacha","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-shabbos-2","category-shabbos"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35582","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=35582"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35582\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":35584,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/35582\/revisions\/35584"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=35582"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=35582"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=35582"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}