{"id":35247,"date":"2026-05-27T17:02:00","date_gmt":"2026-05-27T17:02:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=35247"},"modified":"2026-05-27T21:02:40","modified_gmt":"2026-05-27T21:02:40","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-muktza-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-sivan-11-%d7%93%d7%a3-%d7%9e%d7%93-%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%92%d7%95-%d7%93%d7%90%d7%aa%d7%a7%d7%a6","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-muktza-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-sivan-11-%d7%93%d7%a3-%d7%9e%d7%93-%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%92%d7%95-%d7%93%d7%90%d7%aa%d7%a7%d7%a6\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah: Muktza \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9 Sivan 11 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3.- \u05de\u05d9\u05d2\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d0\u05ea\u05e7\u05e6\u05d0\u05d9 (05\/27\/26)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbossugyaofmuktzah05272026.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sugya &#8211; \u05de\u05d9\u05d2\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d0\u05ea\u05e7\u05e6\u05d0\u05d9<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There is a major machlokes between \u05e8&#8221;\u05d9 &amp; \u05e8&#8221;\u05e9 if a lantern that was lit at the begining of Shabbos remains Muktzah for the entire Shabbos even after the flame is extinguished.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This machlokes is contingent on the concept of \u05de\u05d9\u05d2\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d0\u05ea\u05e7\u05e6\u05d0\u05d9 &#8211; something which is Muktza during Bein Hashmoshas remains Muktza for the entire Shabbos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the reasoning of \u05de\u05d9\u05d2\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d0\u05ea\u05e7\u05e6\u05d0\u05d9?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review the \u05d0\u05e4\u05d9\u05e7\u05d9 \u05d9\u05dd \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05d1 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d9\u05d8 &#8211; first two paragraphs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why does \u05e8&#8221;\u05e9 not hold of &#8211; \u05de\u05d9\u05d2\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d0\u05ea\u05e7\u05e6\u05d0\u05d9?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d0\u05e4\u05d9\u05e7\u05d9 \u05d9\u05dd \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05d1 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d9\u05d8 &#8211; (page \u05e8\u05d3 bottom of the right column &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05e0\u05d4&#8221; for an incredible explanation)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara brought two opinions in regards to a large container of oil if \u05e8&#8221;\u05e9 agrees that it is muktza even after the flame goes out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the explanation for their argument?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d0\u05e4\u05d9\u05e7\u05d9 \u05d9\u05dd \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05d1 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d9\u05d8 &#8211; (page \u05e8\u05d3 bottom of the left column &#8220;\u05d5\u05de\u05d4 \u05e0\u05e2\u05d9\u05dd&#8221; for an incredible explanation.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05e9\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d7\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d8\u05d5.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=40907&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=215\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=40907&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=215<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d7\u05d6\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d9\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05de\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3 for a different explanation than the \u05d0\u05e4\u05d9\u05e7\u05d9 \u05d9\u05dd<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=125&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=125&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; 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