{"id":34257,"date":"2025-12-11T17:05:00","date_gmt":"2025-12-11T17:05:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=34257"},"modified":"2025-12-11T22:06:00","modified_gmt":"2025-12-11T22:06:00","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%97%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-kislev-21-daf-42b-sugya-solid-hot-foods-ladles-12-11-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%97%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-kislev-21-daf-42b-sugya-solid-hot-foods-ladles-12-11-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d7\u05de\u05d9\u05e9\u05d9, Kislev 21, Daf 42b &#8211; Sugya &#8211; Solid hot foods &amp; Ladles (12\/11\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbosperekkirah12112025-1.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ladle<\/strong>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When using a ladle to spoon out from a Kli Rishon; is the bowl that the soup is being poured into considered a Kli Sheini or a Kli Shlishi?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See&nbsp;\u05d8&#8221;\u05d6 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9&#8221;\u05d8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=158\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=158<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7&nbsp;\u05e4\u05d6&nbsp;who brings that it is considered a Kli Rishon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=280&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=280&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However see the leniency the Mishna Berura&nbsp;\u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05de\u05d4&nbsp;says regarding dipping challah inside the bowl of soup.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=276&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=276&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See&nbsp;\u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db\u05d4 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d9&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Solid hot food<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05de&#8221;\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=159\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=159<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See&nbsp;\u05e9&#8221;\u05da \u05d9\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e2\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d7&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=497\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=497<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=498\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=498<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Who says that a solid hot food item does not receive the leniency when placed in a Kli Sheini or Shlishi. See the reason why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05de\u05d4&nbsp;&#8220;in middle \u201d\u05d3\u05d9\u05e9 \u05e4\u05d5\u05e1\u05e7\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05e1\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd&nbsp;&#8230;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Based on the above may one place a pickle on top of a hot piece of kugel?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See&nbsp;\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05d0 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05e1\u05d0&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;\u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e7\u05de\u05d5- \u05e7\u05de\u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Thermos &amp; Styrofoam cup<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does hot water poured from a Kil Rishon into a thermos have the status of a Kli Sheini as the thermos was not the utensil the water was cooked inside of or does it have the status of a Kli Rishon as the thermos retains the heat unlike a regular Kli Sheini?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See&nbsp;\u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e8\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05db\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05ea\u05d5 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d0 \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e7\u05db\u05d1<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See&nbsp;\u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db\u05d4 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d8&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Cooking after cooking<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review the&nbsp;\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d1&nbsp;which clearly says that once an item was cooked it may be reheated inside a Kli Rishon.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does this apply to liquid that was cooked and cooled down?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05e8\u05e9'&#8221;\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d3. &#8220;\u05de\u05e9\u05d7\u05e9\u05db\u05d4&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And&nbsp;\u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db \u05e1&#8217; \u05d9\u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d3&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;\u05d8\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How does the Mechaber rule?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How does the Rema rule?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ladle&nbsp;&nbsp; When using a ladle to spoon out from a Kli Rishon; is the bowl that the soup is being poured into considered a Kli Sheini or a Kli Shlishi? 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