{"id":34247,"date":"2025-12-10T18:43:00","date_gmt":"2025-12-10T18:43:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=34247"},"modified":"2025-12-10T23:43:47","modified_gmt":"2025-12-10T23:43:47","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-kislev-20-yahrzeit-of-rebbetzin-singer-ah-daf-42b-sugya-solid-hot-foods-ladles-12-10-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-kislev-20-yahrzeit-of-rebbetzin-singer-ah-daf-42b-sugya-solid-hot-foods-ladles-12-10-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9, Kislev 20, Yahrzeit of Rebbetzin Singer a&#8221;h, Daf 42b &#8211; Sugya &#8211; Solid hot foods &amp; Ladles (12\/10\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbosperekkirah12102025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Making tea on Shabbos&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Based on the halachos of Kli Sheini &amp; Kli Shlishi&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the best permissible method to make hot tea on Shabbos?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d8 for a lengthy discussion about this.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=275\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=275<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ladle&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When using a ladle to spoon out from a Kli Rishon; is the bowl that the soup is being poured into considered a Kli Sheini or a Kli Shlishi?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d8&#8221;\u05d6 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9&#8221;\u05d8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05de\u05d4 who brings that it is considered a Kli Rishon.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However see the leniency the Mishna Berura says regarding dipping challah inside the bowl of soup.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db\u05d4 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d9&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Solid hot food<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05de&#8221;\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9&#8221;\u05da \u05d9\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e2\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d7&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Who says that a solid hot food item does not receive the leniency when placed in a Kli Sheini or Shlishi. 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