{"id":34227,"date":"2025-12-09T18:57:00","date_gmt":"2025-12-09T18:57:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=34227"},"modified":"2025-12-09T23:57:36","modified_gmt":"2025-12-09T23:57:36","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-kislev-19-daf-42b-sugya-kli-shlishi-12-09-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-kislev-19-daf-42b-sugya-kli-shlishi-12-09-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05d9, Kislev 19 &#8211; Daf 42b Sugya &#8211; Kli Shlishi (12\/09\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbosperekkirah12092025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Is there a difference in regards to the heat of a Kli Sheini to affect cooking?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05e8\u05de\u05d1&#8221;\u05dd \u05d4&#8217; \u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d9\u05d3&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58962&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=129\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58962&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=129<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05d7\u05d9\u05d9 \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd \u05d4&#8217; \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d3&nbsp;and the&nbsp;&nbsp;\u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05d0\u05e8\u05e5 \u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05ea \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d0&nbsp;&nbsp;(on bottom) who introduces a new reason to prohibit&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=49397&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=257&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=49397&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=257&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What are the sources of the Chayei Adam for this new chidush?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05e8\u05de\u05d1&#8221;\u05dd \u05d4&#8217; \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db\u05d1 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d5&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=100\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=100<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Do we rule in accordance with this stringency?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>By a Kli Sheini?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>By a Kli Shlishi?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05de&#8221;\u05d7<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=276\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=276<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And&nbsp;\u05d7\u05d6\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d9\u05e9 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e0\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d9&#8221;\u05d8&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=161\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=161<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Based on the halachos of Kli Sheini &amp; Kli Shlishi&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the best permissible method to make hot tea on Shabbos?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See&nbsp;\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d8&nbsp;for a lengthy discussion about this.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=275\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=275<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The ladle argument&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When using a ladle to spoon out from a Kli Rishon; is the bowl that the soup is being poured into considered a Kli Sheini or a Kli Shlishi?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05e4\u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=280\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=280<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Solid hot food<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Who says that a solid hot food item does not receive the leniency when placed in a Kli Sheini or Shlishi. 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