{"id":34213,"date":"2025-12-08T17:30:00","date_gmt":"2025-12-08T17:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=34213"},"modified":"2025-12-08T22:30:21","modified_gmt":"2025-12-08T22:30:21","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%a0%d7%99-kislev-18-daf-42b-sugya-kli-shlishi-12-08-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%a0%d7%99-kislev-18-daf-42b-sugya-kli-shlishi-12-08-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9, Kislev 18 &#8211; Daf 42b Sugya &#8211; Kli Shlishi (12\/08\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbosperekkirah12082025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Kli Shlishi<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara clearly states that there are items that are \u05e7\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d1\u05d9\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc and cook easily and quickly. Those items can cook inside a Kli Sheini.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Magen Avraham ruled that since we don&#8217;t know what items are not \u05e7\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d1\u05d9\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc we have to be strict on placing any raw items that is raw except for the items listed in the Gemara that definitely do not cook in a Kli Sheini.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Point to Consider&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Do we have the concept of \u05e7\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d1\u05d9\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc in regards to a Kli Shlishi?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Summarize the opinions we learn regarding if there is difference between a Kli Sheini and a Kli Shlishi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1. The dispute between the Beis Yosef and the Bach.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=45\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=45<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2. The position of the Pri Megadim and his proof&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=204\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=204<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>3. The dispute between the Mishna Berura and the Chazon Ish<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=276\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=276<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=161\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=161<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>4. The ruling of Rav Moshe Feinstein zt&#8221;l and the basis of his ruling&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d0\u05d2\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05d3 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e2\u05d3 \u05d1\u05d9\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d8\u05d5 &amp; \u05d9\u05d7&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=920&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=139\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=920&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=139<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=920&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=140\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=920&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=140<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is there a difference in regards to the heat of a Kli Sheini to affect cooking?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9 \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd \u05d4&#8217; \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d3 and the \u05e0\u05e9\u05de\u05ea \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd (on bottom) who introduces a new reason to prohibit&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=49397&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=257&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=49397&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=257&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What are the sources of the Chayei Adam for this new concept?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Do we rule in accordance with this stringency?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05de&#8221;\u05d7<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=276\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=276<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And \u05d7\u05d6\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d9\u05e9 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e0\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d9&#8221;\u05d8&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=161\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=161<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the best permissible method to make hot tea on Shabbos?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d8 for a lengthy discussion about this.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=275\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=275<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kli Shlishi The Gemara clearly states that there are items that are \u05e7\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d1\u05d9\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc and cook easily and quickly. 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