{"id":34146,"date":"2025-11-27T23:17:00","date_gmt":"2025-11-27T23:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=34146"},"modified":"2025-11-28T16:35:39","modified_gmt":"2025-11-28T16:35:39","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%97%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-kislev-7-daf-42b-sugya-kli-rishon-sheini-kli-shlishi-11-27-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%97%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-kislev-7-daf-42b-sugya-kli-rishon-sheini-kli-shlishi-11-27-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d7\u05de\u05d9\u05e9\u05d9, Kislev 7 &#8211; Daf 42b Sugya &#8211; Kli Rishon\/Sheini &amp; Kli Shlishi (11\/27\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbosperekkirah11272025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Halachic Conclusion<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Do we rule with the stringent explanation of Tosfos that it is prohibited as it is \u05de\u05d9\u05d7\u05d6\u05d9 \u05db\u05de\u05d1\u05e9\u05dc?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d4&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=43\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=43<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.as\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.as<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the Rema explaining or arguing on the Mechaber?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9&#8221;\u05d7&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>who says there are many items that cook easily even inside a Kli Sheini and since we are not experts on which items fall in this category we must be stringent and not put items inside a Kli Sheini.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9&#8221;\u05d8&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Who brings the opinion of Tosfos that is forbidden to place items inside a Kli Sheini because it&#8217;s \u05de\u05d9\u05d7\u05d6\u05d9 \u05db\u05de\u05d1\u05e9\u05dc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d8&#8221;\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=154\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=154<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Magen Avraham seems to contradict himself whether it is prohibited to place uncooked foods inside a Kli Sheini as it is \u05de\u05d9\u05d7\u05d6\u05d9 \u05db\u05de\u05d1\u05e9\u05dc?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05e9\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9&#8221;\u05d8&nbsp; &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=203\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=203<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05e9\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d1&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d3 ,\u05d4 &amp; \u05d8 with the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=278\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=278<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>May raw items be placed in a Kli Shlishi?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05e9\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05de\u05d6 &amp; 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