{"id":34063,"date":"2025-11-17T17:17:00","date_gmt":"2025-11-17T17:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=34063"},"modified":"2025-11-18T03:45:33","modified_gmt":"2025-11-18T03:45:33","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%a0%d7%99-cheshvan-26-daf-42b-sugya-kli-rishon-sheini-11-17-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%a0%d7%99-cheshvan-26-daf-42b-sugya-kli-rishon-sheini-11-17-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9, Cheshvan 26, Daf 42b Sugya &#8211; Kli Rishon\/Sheini (11\/17\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbosperekkirah11172025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>We learnt Tosfos (\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217;&nbsp; \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc) who brings a machlokes Rishonim whether liquids being poured from a Kli Rishon have a status of Kli Rishon or Kli Sheini &#8211; \u05e2\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05d9 \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05db\u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d5 \u05db\u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>List the three opinions quotes in Tosfos<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05d0\u05d2\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d8\u05dc \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e4\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d0 who lists a fourth opinion (Rabbeinu Yonah).&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And how he explains each Rishon refutes the proof against them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=255\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=255<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=256\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=256<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Practical Halacha&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we conclude in regards to \u05e2\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05d9 \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; 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