{"id":34059,"date":"2025-11-13T17:12:04","date_gmt":"2025-11-13T17:12:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=34059"},"modified":"2025-11-17T17:13:18","modified_gmt":"2025-11-17T17:13:18","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%97%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-cheshvan-22-daf-42b-sugya-kli-rishon-sheini-11-13-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%97%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-cheshvan-22-daf-42b-sugya-kli-rishon-sheini-11-13-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d7\u05de\u05d9\u05e9\u05d9, Cheshvan 22, Daf 42b Sugya &#8211; Kli Rishon\/Sheini (11\/13\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbosperekkirah11132025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Tosfos (\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217;&nbsp; \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc) presented a machlokes between the Rashbam and the Ri\/Rabbeinu Tam whether liquids being poured from a Kli Rishon&nbsp;have a status of Kli Rishon or Kli Sheini &#8211; \u05e2\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05d9 \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05db\u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d5 \u05db\u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d8 and learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d8 &#8220;\u05db\u05dc in regards to what is permitted to pour hot liquids from a Kli Rishon and what is permitted to be placed&nbsp;inside a Kli Shieni.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Rishonim discuss this machlokes at length and bring different proofs&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e8&#8221;\u05df &amp; \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 (they are lengthy &#8211; see it quickly to get an overview)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=589\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=589<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=355\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=355<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d0\u05d2\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d8\u05dc \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e4\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d0 who lists the three opinions brought in Tosfos and an additional&nbsp;fourth opinion (Rabbeinu Yonah). 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