{"id":34054,"date":"2025-11-12T17:08:29","date_gmt":"2025-11-12T17:08:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=34054"},"modified":"2025-11-17T17:11:41","modified_gmt":"2025-11-17T17:11:41","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-cheshvan-21-daf-42b-sugya-kli-rishon-sheini-11-12-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-cheshvan-21-daf-42b-sugya-kli-rishon-sheini-11-12-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: \u00a0Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9, Cheshvan 21, Daf 42b Sugya &#8211; Kli Rishon\/Sheini (11\/12\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbosperekkirah11122025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review&nbsp;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d1: \u05d0\u05d9\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05d0&nbsp;until &#8220;\u05e1\u05d1\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05e3&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Mishna delineates difference between a Kli Rishon and a Kli Sheini.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the status of liquids while they are being poured from a Kli Rishon?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc&nbsp;who brings a machlokes whether they have a status of Kli Rishon or Kli Sheini &#8211;&nbsp;\u05e2\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05d9 \u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05db\u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d5 \u05db\u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the basis for the opinion that it has the status of Kli Rishon?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the basis for the opinion that it has the status of Kli Sheini?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>List the proofs for each position&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Rishonim discuss this machlokes at length and bring different proofs&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See&nbsp;\u05e8&#8221;\u05df<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=589\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=589<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&amp;&nbsp;\u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=355\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=355<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(they are lengthy &#8211; see it quickly to get an overview)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In conclusion there are four opinions&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05d0\u05d2\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d8\u05dc \u05de\u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e4\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05dc&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d0&nbsp;who lists all four and how each opinion answers the proofs against them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=255\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=255<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=256\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14401&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=256<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Quickly review&nbsp;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d1: \u05d0\u05d9\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05d0&nbsp;until &#8220;\u05e1\u05d1\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05e3&#8221; The Mishna delineates difference between a Kli Rishon and a Kli Sheini.&nbsp; 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