{"id":34038,"date":"2025-11-03T21:55:00","date_gmt":"2025-11-03T21:55:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=34038"},"modified":"2025-11-16T23:51:10","modified_gmt":"2025-11-16T23:51:10","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-borer-monday-night-shiur-cheshvan-13-daf-74a-scattering-11-03-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-borer-monday-night-shiur-cheshvan-13-daf-74a-scattering-11-03-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos:\u00a0Borer\u00a0&#8211; Monday night shiur, Cheshvan 13 &#8211; Daf 74a &#8211; Scattering (11\/03\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarashabbossugyaofborer11032025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>earn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1&#8221;\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d7 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d9\u05d2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the difference between Tosfos \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05d0 and the Rambam?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d0 &#8220;\u05d5\u05d1\u05d5\u05e8\u05e8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e2\u05d3. &#8220;\u05db\u05d9 \u05d0\u05ea\u05d0 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d3\u05d9\u05de\u05d9&#8221; (eight lines from bottom of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d7\u05d6\u05e7\u05d9\u05d4&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the reason to suggest it is prohibited to remove good from the bad when serving to the guests immediately?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d9\u05d3\u05e2\u05e0\u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Clarify why according to Tosfos it might possibly be prohibited.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the uncertainty?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05d4\u05e8&#8221;\u05dd who asks a question on Tosfos&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d7&#8217; \u05d1&#8221;\u05d7 for a different explanation as to why remove good from the bad when serving to the guests immediately could possibly be prohibited.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 &#8220;\u05d5\u05e9\u05d3\u05d0 \u05e7\u05de\u05d9\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rashi says the fruit was mixed with leaves and by spreading it out on the table the fruit separated from the leaves automatically.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why according to Rashi is there a potential issue of&nbsp;borrer?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is this the same explanation of Tosfos?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d0 who asks on Rashi &#8211; Why is it permitted to scatter the contents causing the fruit to become unmixed. 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