{"id":33973,"date":"2025-10-29T17:36:00","date_gmt":"2025-10-29T17:36:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=33973"},"modified":"2025-11-04T15:46:17","modified_gmt":"2025-11-04T15:46:17","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-cheshvan-7-daf-42a-sugya-kli-sheini-10-29-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-perek-kirah-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-cheshvan-7-daf-42a-sugya-kli-sheini-10-29-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Perek Kirah, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9, Cheshvan 7, Daf 42a Sugya &#8211; Kli Sheini (10\/29\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburagemarashabbosperekkirah10292025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Please see write out the argument between Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai. Where they agree and where they argue, the difference between a cup and a bath.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1. &#8220;\u05e1\u05d1\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05e3 \u05dc\u05de\u05d9\u05de\u05e8 until \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d4\u05d5\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05e9\u05e2 (eight lines from the bottom of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tosfos (\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc) explains the \u05d0\u05de\u05d1\u05d8\u05d9\u05d4 in the Halacha of our Gemara is a Kli Sheini.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bring a proof from Rashi whether the bath is a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05e7\u05d4&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the Ran is the \u05d0\u05de\u05d1\u05d8\u05d9\u05d4&nbsp;a Kli Rishon or a Kli Sheini?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=588\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=588<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=589\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=589<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Ran says a chidush lhalacha&nbsp;that it is prohibited to pour an abundance of cold water into a bath that is a Kli Rishon.&nbsp; Why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05e9\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1. &#8220;\u05e0\u05d5\u05ea\u05df \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Note that line towards the end &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d1\u05d0\u05de\u05d1\u05d8\u05d9\u05d4 \u05e9\u05e2\u05d5\u05de\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05dc\u05e8\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4 &#8221;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How is the Rashba different than the other explanations of the Rishonim?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Do we conclude lhalacha like Bais Hillel or like \u05e8&#8217; \u05e9\u05de\u05e2\u05d5\u05df \u05d1\u05df \u05de\u05e0\u05e1\u05d9\u05d0?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05de\u05d9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05d9\u05e3&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8&#8221;\u05df&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Continue learning the Gemara until the Mishna&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Please see write out the argument between Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai. 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